Whichever has the biggest rabid unintelligent fans; 40K at the minute is right up there.

 

You clearly haven't met Standard Trekkie's. Whose standard arguments involve failing to understand the meaning of the words lower limit and basic thermodynamics.

 

Draw up some convincing numbers for WH40k naval weapon power.

 

Right, the trouble with this sort of thing is that there is no right answer to this sort of thing. Like Vaz said, it really just comes down to which universe has the most obnoxious and numerous fans on whichever forum threads like this pop-up.

That being said, Jedi are totally better than psykers and John-117 is better than any space marine evarz.

 

the Dallek from Doctor who could probably take it on.
but yeah, there realy is no. use in comparing different universes. since they are completely different realities.

 

In a baryonic universe, the xeelee win. Job done.

 

are we talking the ENTIRE 40K universe? As in All the races decided to get together and not kill each other to kill another universe? or Just the Imperium of Man?

 

OK, I tried and it failed miserably and I learned.

My mistake, so forgive me everyone, I just tempted fate out of ignorance.

Maybe the mods can lock the tread now. :biggrin:

 

The Nac Mac Feegle would kick the shit out of all the other universes combined.

 

Who do you think would win in a melee, Wolverine or a Space Marine?

 

Whoever wins, Spongebob is taking him on.

 

Pretty much any universe that allows wishes to be made.

Aladin could destroy 40K simply by wishing 40K out of existence.

In a fair fight.... Maybe the Dragon Ball Z universe, without their one wish, simply because they get stupid powerful and would slowly kill everyone uncontested. All depends on how Psykers would effect a Saiyan.

 

DBZ is stupid powerful. You would need an OP Psyker to stand a chance. I think the mind would be their greatest weakness, simply because Goku as strong as he is, he is a complete dumbass, martially smart, but not intelligent in any other aspect.

Also as for Wishing. DBZ does have limits, the dragons can only kill what the dragon ball creator themselves can kill. I remember them trying to wish a badguy away and getting a big, "Uhh...thats beyond my power..."

As for Wolverine, He has practical Immortality, Depends what you hit him with. But Warhammer 40k does have the benefit that Adamantium is not actually much of an impediment for their weapons(Think about it, Even chainswords get Adamantium teeth), so technically Wolverine could lose his adamantium as it gets slagged by plasma and such. It really comes down to Wolverines quickness.

 

The Xeelee used Closed timelike curves to re-engineer their own evolution during the moments shortly after the big bang, fold space and time as if it's paper, and exist in and around the event horizons of super blackholes.
They also re-shaped the universe to create a tear in the fabric of reality allowing them to move between many different universes, whilst manipulating the physical constants of those universes to suit themselves.
They would kick Wolverine in the nuts, and he would stay down. :grin:

 

But what about 40k?

How would they stand up to the also reality bending power of the c'tan and chaos gods? :grin:

 

It depends on how well the Chaos pantheon and C'tan would react to being hit in the goolies with a giant cluster of super massive black holes. :grin:

 

Probably handle it very well. Especially the Chaos gods, that don't follow laws of the universe at all.

The C'Tan would probably need to be super charged to handle that, as at their most powerful they were never Galaxy busters, but they probably have the potential to be if they ate enough. (which is doubtful)

 

I'm a huge fan of Marvel and Wolverine, but people are saying Wolverine is fast and he's got that going for him. Yes he's fast, but he's not really superhuman fast, just very agile and at peak athletic ability you could say. You all seem to be basing this on that Space Marines are tough but slow. You couldn't be more wrong. Astartes are fast, unimaginably fast. There was another post on here somewhere, where someone provided several different quotes of an Astartes in motion from a normal humans perspective, and they were all pretty much that it was almost as if they blinked, and everyone was dead.

I short, I would rate Astartes as faster than Wolverine, as others have said, adamantium isn't uncommon amongst the chapters. Sure he can regenerate, but I imagine marines could quite easily come up with a way to put him down for good.

 

I'm a huge fan of Marvel and Wolverine, but people are saying Wolverine is fast and he's got that going for him. Yes he's fast, but he's not really superhuman fast, just very agile and at peak athletic ability you could say. You all seem to be basing this on that Space Marines are tough but slow. You couldn't be more wrong. Astartes are fast, unimaginably fast. There was another post on here somewhere, where someone provided several different quotes of an Astartes in motion from a normal humans perspective, and they were all pretty much that it was almost as if they blinked, and everyone was dead.

I short, I would rate Astartes as faster than Wolverine, as others have said, adamantium isn't uncommon amongst the chapters. Sure he can regenerate, but I imagine marines could quite easily come up with a way to put him down for good.

There's several cases where standard humans were able to go toe to toe with astartes, Cain fought two in the same book (one was injured but still) And in another book a human took the arm off another.

Wolverine regularly fought people who could deflect bullets with normal swords when was the last time an astartes did that?

 

:laugh: I can't belive serious thought was put into my Wolverine idea. I did say melee though, thinking weapons would be out of it. Yes Logan has claws, but: Astartes.

 

Well, 40k has the Perpetuals which at least shows an almost limitless capacity to create shitty contrived deus ex machinae; the strongest tech of all.

 

But Jedi could swat laser bolts away. That must mean they would be able to own both Wolverine, and any Astartes.
Anyway, Wolverine is one thing, what about Hulk? Wouldn't he smash?

While we're at it, Joe Pineapples could shoot the pimples off an adolescent fly. Combined with Joe Dredd, Rogue, Johnny Alpha and Batman, they would be able to pretty much fuxxor up any Marine that fancied a bit.

 

Hulk would smash. Superman? Any takers there? I think that a Superhero army would give 40k a run, but they'd ultimately lose because 40k is just so damn aggressive in their methods. It would be interesting to see how the Phoenix would rate as a psyker in the 41st millennium.

 

Superman fought hulk in the DC vs Marvel Amalgem Comics run, superman won.

 

Well, it depends on what you mean by 'beat'. Chaos is very outside of normal ways to measure relative power. But, we should remember that 40k is 'just' a fractured galaxy. Any fictional system that involves multiple galaxies will have the potential to be stronger.

The Culture is significantly higher tech than 40k. The Xeelee were already mentioned. I'm not sure how the Time Lords would 'beat' 40k, but I'd bet on them.

 

The thing is I don't think Time Manipulators beat anything. They just create a more desirable timeline for themselves while any other timeline continues unabated.

So they 'win' in the sense that the conflict never has to happen, or be able to manipulate the outcome by changing factors of future events in a parallel time line.

So if you can count it as a victory, take it. But its more likely Infinity:Infinity win:Lose ratio.

Hulk smashes, just because he is by essence broken. I do believe he is killable, I just don't think anyone in 40k would know how or have the ability to by the time they figured it out. If any faction could subdue hulk, I would say the Crons, and even then only subdue and contain or even just toss him into an alternate universe so they don't have to deal with it.

 

I am surprised no one has brought up the Honorverse or The Culture.

Imperial ships clock in with less than 10 gees of acceleration (according to FFG's Rogue Trader and suppliments) in the Honorverse the slowest ships can do over 500 Gees. All their weapons are in the megaton and gigaton range.

As for the Culture...Its not even funny how outclassed all the 40k factions combined would be against the Culture. These are people who see the building of halos as simple. They have weapons that render things into non-existence. Their A.I.s make Tzneetch look like a baby with down syndrome by comparison. Their weakest, non-military craft can casually destroy entire systems in the blink of an eye with artifical black holes. "Don't fuck with the Culture."

 

Squirrel girl can own the WH40K universe ! :laugh:

And yeah, I think the culture could handle the fight and win. It wouldn't be easy or bloodless, as the war with Idira wasn't a picnic in the park, but the culturer would win.

The only real danger would be Chaos, but nothing that a little bit of social engineering couldn't handle.

 

Angry Ron Vs Hulk mash up. Who wins? :biggrin:

 

Hulk smash !:angry:

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

 

What would happen to the Hulk if he was exposed to the life-eater virus I wonder?

 

He would most probably died. Life-eater will kill his cell faster than he can regenerate.

His only way to survive would be to be intelligent as bruce banner, I guess that if he jump off orbit then let him fall at terminal velocity through the atmosphere, he would end up burning and destroying the Virus trough fire or/and space void.

He would then end up crashing unto earth, and regenerate later, and angrier.

Another way to him survive is that he could be simply stupidly immune. The virus could died due to poisoning himself with gamma radiating flesh... eeewwww...uke:

But that's only guessing.

 

Hmmmn, yeah, the Hulk himself may not be FTL capable. But, there are two possible 'allies' that would take him around. The orks might lure him onto an FTL barge and then drop him onto enemy planets. Or Khorne might whisk him around.

Though I don't find that Hulk is sufficiently withing Khorne's 'theme'. He's lacking a certain je ne sais quoi.

 

Though I don't find that Hulk is sufficiently withing Khorne's 'theme'. He's lacking a certain je ne sais quoi.

Hulk always wanted to be left alone. He has anger but hasn't any real bloodlust neither that he has a true ethos warrior. (Except maybe in World war hulk.)

Ares, Red Hulk or Red skull on the contrary...