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Armies are getting squatted

8.9K views 91 replies 33 participants last post by  Chosen of Malal  
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#2 ·
I'm not surprised, because it's bullshit. GW have said time and time again that they're not going to remove any armies the way they removed Squats again, because the community backlash was so strong. And that was with one, not even widely played army. To remove one 8th edition, popular book, and two that people have been baying for for four years? No.
 
#82 ·
It shouldn't be called "Squatting". That's an outdated and mis-used term.


This is "Sistering".

They aren't going to remove those armies from the game. [If it happens] They're just going to stop producing new models and books for them most likely.
 
#9 ·
The only was I can see them getting away with this is if they merge them with other armies. So brets becomes part of the Empire. Wood Elves becomes part of High Elves and etc.
Like the "Ratlings" became part of the Imperial Guard.......BS I say! In any case I'm curious if the transfer of models to Forge World is a sign that GW might be near a collapse. If they are selling their stores in Germany (where 40k is very popular, not so sure on Fantasy) then they will loose possible revenue. However if sales are that bad over their then perhaps they are being forced to IOT survive.

Either way could mean new company will possibly buy them out? Maybe drive the price of models down?
 
#8 ·
Yeah i'm not buying these rumours one bit, but why all the hate for a rumour blog?

Just take everything on there with a pinch of salt or stick to official sites because some BS will always get through on it.
 
#13 ·
Are people jumping to this conclusion because of the 9th ed rumor? If 9th ed is coming out this summer, then that means a few armies won't be brought up to speed in the time between now and then.

I don't understand the logic behind ditching armies, surely the cost of making them is dwarfed by what they earn from players that play them.
 
#19 ·
If anything bears out, I think this is it. While GW have been expanding the miniatures lines/armies, it's possible they intend on retrenching. Which to be fair is a tried and true businesses practice. Get a good idea (or seemingly good idea) expand and follow it. Keep going until it is no longer useful, back off until you address in the safe zone again.

Many business do this. They pursue a new operating procedure following their projections, which won't be totally accurate. They may over shoot the sweet spot, then need to regroup and try again.

GW has done this before. Think GW stores in the USA. They expanded too quickly and in the wrong places. Lost money. Closed stores. Waited a few years and tried again.

If there is any truth to this, GW's projections indicate that they pushed too hard, made too many distinct armies and need to consolidate them. Ditto with regional management structures.

I recommend:
Grain of salt + skepticism + patience.
 
#21 ·
I don't know about this. :/
When someone thinks "Warhammer Fantasy Battles", what do people usually think? First thing that comes to my head is loads of regiments of knights on horseback, elves of various realms, and sorcery.

If they decide to put Bretonnia as part of the Empire for example, I'm not quite sure what to think. If they decide to scrap Bretonnia entirely, basically GW has said "We want to throw away an army from the olden days of WFB". Same thing with Wood Elves, and hell even Tomb Kings. That's like saying the NBA wants to delete the Miami Heat, Memphis Grizzlies, Toronto Raptors and LA Lakers "just because". That's the way I see it.

If such a thing ends up turning out, there goes two of my favorite armies (Brets and WElves).

Like yeah, fair enough that 40k is the dominant game and model range they possess, but still. Eliminating parts of their other game which is just as cool is absolutely bizarre. Yeah okay take this with about a vat filled with salt, but gah. This terrifies me a little bit.
 
#23 ·
Like yeah, fair enough that 40k is the dominant game and model range they possess, but still. Eliminating parts of their other game which is just as cool is absolutely bizarre. Yeah okay take this with about a vat filled with salt, but gah. This terrifies me a little bit.
That really does depend on what part of the world you look at. In certain countries like the US and UK, 40K is dominant. It was always the case however that in France, Italy and much of Europe WHF was the dominant game (this going by the sales figures we were shown each year internally).

This rumour started purely as a kneejerk reaction to the stock market price fall. It has no real bearing on actual reality...
 
#22 ·
This makes no sense, why kill off a large number of armies, the store closings.... to be honest I don't particularly care because I have not and chances are never can go to Germany, but on a serious note...really all stores, either GW products are being blocked or there is so few Germans/ playing that they can't keep the stores open.

The hobit stuff wouldn't that end up costing them more/business?

The entire post seems to suggest GW is on it's last leg.
 
#24 ·
"I don't know which is worse: the website saying Wood Elves, Tomb Kings, Beastmen, and Bretonnians are being discontinued or the people believing it. Calm down folks. According to our pretty damn reliable source Wood Elves are just around the corner. Enjoy your weekend.
-Rik"

-40k Radio FB post :)
 
#25 ·
The Hobbit, terrible though it is for GW (as far as I know), has just had the second film based in and around Mirkwood with the reappearance of many fans' favourite character from Lord of the Rings, who is a Wood Elf, and GW will supposedly discontinue Wood Elves.

GW aren't stupid enough to throw away that opportunity.
 
#26 ·
Yes, they are.

THey fucked the poster boys up (SM) so much that they actually lost sales on it. They had the two base armies that introduce the game to newcomers being the weakest of the current game (with the exception of Baledrakes; which essentially turns into here's ÂŁ200 to buy yourself a basic competing force, but oh wait, you can't actually compete, you need either Meta-countering Daemons, or Tau/Dar, El/Tau, Tau, or Eldar, or some variant thereof to even compete against Riptides with rerolls etc, so here's more money.

Newcomers see they're getting pounded, so are selling their stuff on eBay, so not only is it depriving the hobby of its newcomers (which are its primary income, whether for new armies or for complete newcomers), which costs the company money, but those who bought the kits are now selling them on the cheap for other gamers.

The cost of codexes is probably an easier way around this.

Codexes are too expensive. So people upload them onto the internet. People download them.

Codexes increase in price to account for pirating. Less people are willing to pay for something that's of poor quality (and with terrible rules to boot). They download them.

Codexes increase in price... etc. etc. ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

The strongest armies should be those in the core game box. 4th edition, outside of Eldar, Nid Monster Mashes and Lasplas Marine hordes were the game winners.

Games Workshops *we are a model company first* is fucking over their profits. They need to get down into the nitty gritty, and stop caring about creating internally balanced rules (because they fucking suck), and moving onto externally balanced, with beta testing and running it by top tournament players and the internet.

If the internet can come up with broken combinations like Pun-Pun from D+D (think a character with near infinite stats, and every special rule in the game, and if you can think of a way to kill him he automatically knows about it, and teleports back into the past to know about that method, fix it, and then kill you so that hopefully no-one knows about it), and Leafblower, and Lashprince, and Jetseer Lists, and Rhno Parking lots, then withn a few months of playtesting, you have yourself a release that's effective.

Give away the rules, people should be able to play the game without needing to buy additional rulebooks on top of the core game. Charge suitable prices for the models. By going effectively 4x above inflation, they are pricing themselves out of sales, especially with millions of cheap competitors setting themselves up, the lack of competitive support (in both tourny organisation, recognition, and basic competitive PvP rulesets), and GW stores now being turned into creches (and forcing people who purchase the cheaper competitors to play elsewhere) in favour of LGS with gaming rooms...

Eh, syntax, "GamesWorkshop_HasClue_flag = false"



 
#27 ·
Alright I did a little "Research" and found another way to interpet these rumors:

First these armies are not beingt squatted but instead are being moved to direct order only (sort of like how sister of battle have been now).

As for Germany stores closing. Gw is simply looking for better locations and will be reopening new stores there (hence why they are still hiring in Germany).
 
#28 ·
First these armies are not beingt squatted but instead are being moved to direct order only (sort of like how sister of battle have been now).
So, a softsquat.

Sisters of Battle have essentially been squatted. Yes, they have an eCodex and you can still order their models from them but, from GW's standpoint, they've been squatted. Think about it:


  1. Their codex is digital, so they don't have to print it and keep it in stock
  2. Their models are direct order only, and we know for a fact that they melt metal to either make other models or sell it. This too means they have to keep an absolute minimum of stock for the few balls to the walls insane people who actually buy them fresh, and if it runs out they'll just print a new batch with absolute minimum figures just to be safe.
Sisters have been put in a condition where they don't cost GW anything, and whether they live or die is absolutely irrelevant to them. They're going to benefit in the measly off-chance someone completely out of his mind actually places an order, but they don't care if they don't because they're not losing anything.

It would make sense of them to do the same to other armies: if they start announcing digital for fantasy, you can know for sure the armies getting a digital only army book are not seeing their model range updated and are moving to direct order only, it's the most cost effective thing they can do and seeing how their stocks fell nearly 30% in one day they're as desperate as they can get to cut even more costs.
 
#29 ·
I have been playing fantasy for... I don't know maybe 10+ years now and found this site maybe 4 or 5 years ago "didn't even know it was a game til about 6 years ago.

Every 6 months the internet goes off on GW report and people say this is the end this time my god I am 27 I lived through 3 apocalypse's and GW going out of buisness 8-10 times. People just think since it is the net alot of people may read it and their opinion matters and they complain alot. Truth is the same people on here bitchin where the same people writing in bitchin they are not squating any armies and they where re-structuring everything which probably cost alot, not to mention switching to new materiel and such. If SoB never got squated they not squating anyone "except for BT which no one seems to have noticed"

Also why do people keep making up random rumors about how and why GW lost money. I see a graph that goes up and down and my mathmatic genious says it is because I got pissed off around that same date lol.
 
#31 ·
My friends and I discussed this today and they said perhaps it's just the prempetive strike of merging armies into one book, for example beastmen are found in the chaos warriors book instead of their own individual book, wood elves join high elves in a elf book, tomb kings join vampire counts in an undead book and bretonnians join the empire in a human book
 
#32 · (Edited)
Having just returned from Bremen I can confirm that this is 99% codswallop and 1% fact (and i'm being generous here),
as I understand there are changes coming to GW Germany as well other continental European stores,
it sounds like it's all head officey changes


The deleted armies bullcrap comes from rumours I (amongst others) posted about 18 months plus back about the possibility of combined fantasy armybooks to save on money and entice fantasy fans to buy more models.
so again
1+1 = 42
 
#37 ·
I did say 'essentially' Squatted, not fully squatted. The army I played is dead and gone; rather than expanded ala BA or DA they are now a footnote in C:SM with the bare minimum of effort made to keep their personality. As this thread is regarding WHF armies being squatted/rolled this is what those players can expect if it happens.

As far as 'nerd rage' is concerned, there is nothing more nerdy than a tabletop gaming site so I suspect Im in the right place to post such opinions.