The last part I actually think is interesting. For me, the way that 40K armies work and the arsenal of weapons I don't think chapters really are that strong to take worlds. To me the Chapters have seemed more believable taking simple objectives or even city main points. I think we will see more Imperial Guard and Space Marine and Chaos Marines and Cultist interactive combat roles.

Its just hard to believe that chapters would simply deploy their strength against an army with many heavy and anti armor weapons. Thats just pure astartes casualties. The depiction of how the Black Legions use cultists and daemons seems to make more sense in terms of which armies have been more successful.

 

No engineering degrees: There is an entire cult devoted to machines and science, they can make some cool tanks, weapons, machines, but dreadnought armor forget it! there skitarii can even wear something that is "like" terminator armor, but isn't. This right here bothers me so much, I just pretend it doesn't exist in the 40k world.

This is part of the grim darkness of 40k. Mankind holds itself back by being a superstitious race afraid of change. If innovation was not so shunned, the Imperium would be doing much better.

bolters design: It's too outdated looking, I'd prefer it to be bigger and look a little more hefty, it looks like an mp5 in size comparison on a Space Marine. Also it needs a stock. You shoot a rifle without a stock and tell me how accurate you are.

The bolter has never been described as an accurate weapon. There's a reason its limited to the same effective range as most assault rifles despite it being significantly heavier.

1000 men strong: The size of a chapter never bothered me before, but a post on here talked about how another 0 should be added to make it 10,000 marines, and the old legions should have had 800,000+ marines. It made so much sense, and I cringe a little bit every time I hear about only 1000 marines. That's really not a big number at all, and even 10,000 in the grand scheme of things isn't big either.

This is a deliberate design by the Codex Astartes to limit the power and influence that each chapter has and prevent another large scale heresy. Space Marines are not armies, they are supplements and strike forces, most often used alongside other Imperial forces in campaigns.

 

This is part of the grim darkness of 40k. Mankind holds itself back by being a superstitious race afraid of change. If innovation was not so shunned, the Imperium would be doing much better.



The bolter has never been described as an accurate weapon. There's a reason its limited to the same effective range as most assault rifles despite it being significantly heavier.



This is a deliberate design by the Codex Astartes to limit the power and influence that each chapter has and prevent another large scale heresy. Space Marines are not armies, they are supplements and strike forces, most often used alongside other Imperial forces in campaigns.

I know the reasoning why, I've read the fluff reasoning, I just don't give a shit. I can have my opinion and this is it, the reasoning is BS to me and I roll my eyes whenever those 3 aspects are in my face.

Purpose of this was to vent, not for everyone to try and gang up and prove each other wrong. This is personal preference.

 

You shoot a rifle without a stock and tell me how accurate you are.

This never bothered me because of how the gyrojet round should work if it panned out. Plus the sheer size and super-human strength of a Space Marine combined with the incredibly advanced systems of power armor, I see no issue with an accurate bolter.
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As to what makes me cringe? Chapter losses for fairly routine operations. It's brutal when a company loses 2-3 men to clear out an orbital station filled with heretics armed with las and auto guns. This doesn't make sense to me.

Also how easily Space Marines die. Losing a limb should barely slow them down, and only for a moment. A sword thrust anywhere not in the head shouldn't incapacitate them. Then even if they are critically injured, they should fall into a sus-membrane coma to be resistated (or finished, depending on who wins).

And then the whole depiction of very human 40k Space Marine usually urks me. You don't take children from the worst hellholes in the Imperium, indoctrinate them with nothing but loyalty to the Imperium, hatred for its enemies, and how to murder those enemies, and come out with a relatively normal human being.

 

How Matt Ward Handled the Necrons, instead of the original writers fleshing it out further.

Seriously it would have been easy to keep old fluff and still get the NewCrons we have without getting rid of the C'Tan as influential. Them being so underpowerd in TT was always bothersome(compared to the fluff that is) so the new fluff makes it better for TT, I just am irked by how much was retconned.

Also screw the whole piggy backing on the Webway system, this pissed me off the most. Original Crons just appeared where they want to, why would a race that master science need the warp? They wouldn't. I felt like this was meant to pander towards limiting space travel in the material verse and force everything to rely on the warp :/ which is ghey.

 

Also screw the whole piggy backing on the Webway system, this pissed me off the most. Original Crons just appeared where they want to, why would a race that master science need the warp? They wouldn't. I felt like this was meant to pander towards limiting space travel in the material verse and force everything to rely on the warp :/ which is ghey.

I agree with this. I actually like what they did with the c'tan, but taking away their established FTL ability seemed like much too limiting a factor for a race that surpassed even the Old Ones in scientific prowess.

 

Speaking of the Necrons, the whole humanizing thing is a disaster in my point of view. I liked it more when they were soulless death machines out to harvest the souls of all sentient life. That was cool and frightening.

Changing them to a bunch of B-villains killing and conquering on their so very human and flawed whims seems so much of a...cop out.

I rather they introduced a new race of technological aristocrats. Or hell, just had the Dark Eldar fill in that niche.

 

I was devastated as well, but It grew on me. I however absolute hate them being space Tomb Kings.

 

I don't mind what happened to the C'Tan, I just think it should have been a more recent event, as it kind of retconns alot of the Deceiver's shenanigans in the Imperium.

 

I like the Necron fluff changes. You want your dynasty to be Oldcrons? Easy, they have an unusually high proportion of robit men with the Destroyer Plague. But you want them to be TK in space? Equally easy. Necrons can now have depth and personality if you want, rather than being robot Tyranids.

Personally, it really gets my back up when people complain about Draigo's fluff. I'll admit it's not brilliantly executed, but it's a really cool concept. The whole Mortarion's Heart story? I'd have put money on Draigo winning that if the Codex had simply said 'Draigo charged the Daemon Primarch Mortarion when suddenly the cameraman fell on his ass and nobody knows what happened next'. I won't go into it here, because I went into it there.

I don't think there's that much in the actual 40k fluff that really bothers me - not a fan of how the whole Crimson Path/Great Waaagh! stuff is coming about in the 7th ed books, but only because I can't see a way of it being advanced/solved outside of a disappointing deus ex machina. I mean, I really liked the bit in the Ork book about how Gathrog and Degruk are locked in a huge war that, if one of the Warbosses wins or they team up, could quite possibly defeat the 13th Black Crusade. However, while the event in itself would be great, I'm not sure how it would be dealt with - the nearest I came up with would be that Ghazghkull shows up and does his thing by beating down on Boss Gathrog and Boss Degruk and combines their Waaagh!s, defeats the 13th Black Crusade, but the Orks taking over the containment of said Crusade gives Cadia a much-needed respite period; the Orks get whittled down fighting the Black Legion, leaving the Imperium (and probably Eldar) to come in afterwards and mop up what's left. That falls into the Humanity, Fuck Yeah trope though, and while seeing Ghazghkull fight Abaddon would be crazy-awesome, the aftermath would be quite disappointing (on the other hand, it would diffuse the current 'everything is going to shit and there is no possible way it can ever be fixed' over-grimdarkness of 40k).

Rambling much?

 

Personally, it really gets my back up when people complain about Draigo's fluff. I'll admit it's not brilliantly executed, but it's a really cool concept. The whole Mortarion's Heart story? I'd have put money on Draigo winning that if the Codex had simply said 'Draigo charged the Daemon Primarch Mortarion when suddenly the cameraman fell on his ass and nobody knows what happened next'. I won't go into it here, because I went into it there.

Unfortunately this particular piece of fluff is the one thing that not only makes me cringe, but puts me off GKs and Matt Ward. He may not have written it, but he approved it, do he gets the blame. It is the single stupidest piece of fanfic I've ever read. If I read it on a forum I would assume it was written by a 12 year old with a hard on for his new toy soldiers.

On the whole though, having been into 40k since Rogue Trader, I've learned to ride with the retcons, knowing it'll probably all come full circle anyway.

 

1000 men strong: The size of a chapter never bothered me before, but a post on here talked about how another 0 should be added to make it 10,000 marines, and the old legions should have had 800,000+ marines. It made so much sense, and I cringe a little bit every time I hear about only 1000 marines. That's really not a big number at all, and even 10,000 in the grand scheme of things isn't big either.

Absolutely agree. Considering the massive casualties space marines take in every mission in the great crusade (as described in the FW books) and the fact that the legions and equipment was better back then and they were led by the Primarchs I'm astonished that Roboute Guilliman thought that 1000 marines was a suitable size for the future Chapters..

Given the fact that the Chapters are now used as pure assault forces or last ditch defence forces rather than armies, both of these are where you take the majority of casualties and therefore the Chapters would simply die out as you wouldn't be able to replace the losses you'd take quickly enough. All the better (in my opinion) novels describe how many casualties the Chapters take and the Imperial Armour books also show the Chapters taking large casualties (such as in the Badab wars and the siege of Vraks books).

If the Chapters continually take such casualties (and considering I doubt they'd turn their backs on a situation where they were needed) they would be ground down in no time.

If anything needs retconning it's the 1000 limit. I understand the reason for splitting the Legions but by splitting up the Chapters to be so small they're now basically incapable of their primary purpose which is to be the elite forces of the Imperium. All an enemy needs to do is to simply fight a battle of attrition and sooner or later the chapter will need to either retreat or risk being wiped out. Alternatively if they only send 1 or 2 companies to avoid the chapter being wiped out then I'm sorry but enemies can simply overwhelm them.

Enemies such as Necron can outlast the chapters by being tougher and Tyranids can simply send more forces and you get what happen with the Scythes Of the Emperor where their home planet was destroyed. I can't remember the Chapter who were destroyed when a Necron tomb awoke on their homeworld but the result was the same and simply goes to show that the Chapter as a unit simply isn't strong enough to achieve what is needed and that's when it's deployed as a whole. Company sized units are even weaker.

The Damocles Crusade is another example where 2 first founding chapters (Ultramarines and Iron Hands) and the Scythes of the Emperor, supported by Imperial Guard and titans were stopped cold by the Tau when the battle descended into one of attrition. The Ultramarines were led by Marneus Calgar who in the fluff is one of the most brilliant strategists of the age and yet the Imperium still couldn't force a victory. This leads me onto my second thing I hate.

As someone said "A war run by committee is a war already lost" (I'm paraphrasing as I can't find the exact quote but I think it's in Gaunt's Ghosts somewhere). The splitting the Imperial Armed Forces so much it has turned every crusade, every defence into a battle run by committee where the Imperial Commander has to beg and please with the Space Marines and Titans to do what he/she needs them to do.

Putting the Space Marines and Titan Legions outside the overall command structure is just insane. Most of the time the Chapters simply don't bother to co-ordinate their attacks with the allied units and when they do the Imperial Guard commander has no-authority over them and neither does the Space Marine commander over the Imperial Guard forces. The expression "the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing". The way I see it, when Space Marines and Imperial Guard fight on the same planet they almost act as 2 completely independent armies who happen to be fighting the same enemy. WTF? The enemies of the Imperium must be laughing. Divide and conquer is an ancient strategy and the Imperium divides itself by choice? No wonder the Imperium is on it's last legs. It's overall military command structure is completely ill designed for what it needs to be.

Only when Space Marines or the Guard fight on their own and therefore there is a unified command structure (such as during the defence of Ultramar against the Tyranids and later Honsou) can a truly effective battle be fought and even then the weakness of the Chapters are cruelly exposed once more. The only crusade I'm uncertain about is Macharius' crusade and whether there were Space Marines with him and how they operated as Macharius' crusade was undeniably effective and I would love to know how and why?

 

I would like to point out the efficiency of the defence of New Rynn's City during Waaagh Snagrod. The Crimson Fist deploys a SM with all the Planetary Guard regiment to keep moral high. And I know that planetary guards are quite different from imperial Guard but a way to show how a few marines can boost the more numerous Guard.

 

The necrons really had an opportunity to highlight their dark tendencies. I would say that is definitely one of the things that bothered me.

Some of the fluff of the Ultramarines series makes me cringe. Pretty garbage if you ask me. Calagar has the physical strength to kill an Avatar and beat the living crude out of Daemon Prince. Those are creatures you aim your strongest weapons on, it begs the question why do you need lascannons when you can drop Calagar into the frey and do that work for everyone. The whole Imperium is wasting their time.

 

You could just assume that everything written about the space marines in the codex is imperial propaganda. Same with the necrons, it's an imperial book written based on scraps of information they gleaned from their encounters with the crons.

 

And then the whole depiction of very human 40k Space Marine usually urks me. You don't take children from the worst hellholes in the Imperium, indoctrinate them with nothing but loyalty to the Imperium, hatred for its enemies, and how to murder those enemies, and come out with a relatively normal human being.

Not a fan of Salamanders then I take it? I must admit while I like how Vulkan was depicted in " Vulkan Lives " , I found it hard to believe that an astartes legion could like humans to such a degree as them.....

I mean sure, It could be said that Vulkan understood humans since he grew up with them and defended them against Dark Eldar... but yeah, the whole concept seems a bit stretched. I guess Vulkan was Emperor's " humanness " or whatever.

As for always bothered me about 40k, I'd have to say Orks and their concept. I was never into their comedical aspect among the grimdark universe. I'd say a brutal and powerful race as them always deserved to be more than an object of jokes... But whatever.

The other part is of course Grey Knights fap. The mighty Demon Primarch Angron stopped by some newb grey knight psyker.

I had to facepalm myself few times.

 

Not a fan of Salamanders then I take it? I must admit while I like how Vulkan was depicted in " Vulkan Lives " , I found it hard to believe that an astartes legion could like humans to such a degree as them.....

30k marines and 40k marines are two totally different beasts, in my mind. It was a different age.

How they were indoctrinated, how old they were, the level of human-astartes interaction...all completely different.

The mighty Demon Primarch Angron stopped by some newb grey knight psyker.

He wasn't stopped by Hyperion. Hyperion merely broke Angron's blade.

Also keep in mind that Hyperion was notably powerful psyker amongst the Grey Knights...which is a Chapter of powerful psykers in of itself.

 

> Breaking his blade and reducing his connection to material word and his power significantly in my mind > by stopping/defeating him.

Talented psyker or not, there are literally several sm psykers who are much more powerful than hyperion and would still probably get their ass kicked by Angron.

Greyknightplotarmor ftw.

 

Breaking his blade and reducing his connection to material word and his power significantly in my mind

Where did it say that it reduced his connection to the material world or even reduced Angron's power significantly?

> by stopping/defeating him.

So breaking Angron's blade is a feat more impressive than actually defeating Angron ?

Talented psyker or not, there are literally several sm psykers who are much more powerful than hyperion

Source? We're not really given any sort of power reading for any of the Space Marine psykers. Even comparing feats is a dubious prospect since each individual has certain affinities and skills. An incredibly powerful telekine might crush a warhound but have difficulty holding a telepathic conversation with someone in the same room. Apples to oranges.

 

Where did it say that it reduced his connection to the material world or even reduced Angron's power significantly?

Hm you're right, it didn't, I just assumed ( since it was a while since i last read the book )because of the warp-material world demon thingy.

Albeit apparently he was less formidable without his weapons since that was the breaking point where he got banished.

So breaking Angron's blade is a feat more impressive than actually defeating Angron ?

Depends on how you look at it. He was the one who largely ensured Angron's defeat. It is truly an immense feat, provided I could buy into such a thing. Which I'm not.

Source? We're not really given any sort of power reading for any of the Space Marine psykers. Even comparing feats is a dubious prospect since each individual has certain affinities and skills. An incredibly powerful telekine might crush a warhound but have difficulty holding a telepathic conversation with someone in the same room. Apples to oranges

There are several sm pyskers who are among the most powerful ones in Imperium, namely Tigurius, Njall ( who actually managed to defeat a chaos space marine warband/army with his summoned storm as well as blasting a bloodthirster apart- source- Stormcaller short novel ), Mephiston and many other.

 

He was the one who largely ensured Angron's defeat.

Source?

We have no idea how the rest of the fight panned out.

It could have been Captain Taremar that won most of that fight. Or the weapons of Enceldaus and Galeo that speared Angron's wrists. Or the 80+ other Grey Knights living at the moment.

Or, most likely of all, a more even contribution of everyone involved.

It is truly an immense feat, provided I could buy into such a thing. Which I'm not.

It's up to you to believe it or not, but I think it makes a fair amount of sense. Angron was being assaulted by 100 psychic powers purposely created to fight daemons. Their very presence caused lesser daemons to vacate the matterium.

Hyperion, as I said before, had incredible amounts of psychic power. Combined with his Reflective Psychic...surrounded and connected to 100 of some of the most powerful psychic warriors the Imperium could muster...

I think it's reasonable. It was hardly Hyperion besting Angron in a one on one duel.

I'm personally of the opinion that if Angron hadn't ascended, the Grey Knights would have lost. It was his daemonic nature that sealed his doom. A rock, paper, scissors sort of issue.

re are several sm pyskers who are among the most powerful ones in Imperium

You totally missed my apples to oranges analogy, didn't you?

And you're using psychic feats as a ruler ? Wouldn't, you know, the breaker of the Black Blade rank higher than those feats?

If so, then by our own measuring system, then Hyperion would be a stronger psyker than those you listed.

And if the breaking of the Black Blade is NOT as impressive of feats as you listed, then Hyperion is in fact weaker than those Librarians...and his feat would surely be more believable for you?

 

The 'comedic nature' of the Orks winds me up.

Can't think of anything else.

 

Orks are the only faction who really understand what's going on.

The galaxy is never going to be at peace again, so they may as well enjoy the burning and killing of anything that moves.

 

Why do orks speak gothic? I see no use in this. They would be better off without being able yo communicate with other spiecis.

 

Almost none of them do. It's only the very rare Ork that can speak Gothic with any sort of fluency.

 

There was a story in perhaps one of the Index Astartes or White Dwarfs that described how the fight between Aurellian and Angron went down, and it was a pretty awesome read, especially the reactions before and after by Grimnar. Granted it might now be somewhat retconned as it mentions nothing of the Blade or anyone breaking it, but Aurellian still had a hell of a lot to do to banish Angron.

 

I've always been annoyed with the concept of the Primarchs, following the Heresy (+ Scouring), dropping out of the 40K storyline. There's really only two among all the loyalist Primarchs that both survive the Heresy itself and have any real Imperial political ability on their own, Guilliman and Dorn. So why not let several have a role and the addition that makes to the overall storyline.

I also get annoyed with the concept of a frozen or regressive technological environment, especially every time an author pulls out another bit of nigh-magical tech in the interest of advancing the story line. Reading some of the Mechanicum-related fluff clearly shows that Adepts and Forges are constantly developing or even recovering tech.

 

One thing that has annoyed me was the technological stagnation. Not so much that technology has stagnated but rather how it is depicted. In the first few books I read of 40k, I got the impression that every piece of technology was priceless. Most of it was unknowable or insanely hard to understand that the Imperium had lost the ability to make them.

Then I watched has dozens of these pieces of equipment (Battleships, Terminator Armor, Titans, ect, ect) get destroyed or needlessly pissed into the wind during conflict. To me that just made absolutely no sense. Cause every battle in the 100,000 wars the Imperium is fighting at any one time should have long ago left it a dried, primitive, husk.

It also left me with the question of wtf are the Forge Worlds even making? All the badass technology that keeps the Imperium afloat are lost now ... so wtf are they making, a shit ton of lasguns and frag grenades?

 

It's called the worf effect. You want to prove an enemy is dangerous have to obliterate a battleship, battle barge, curb stomp an astartes chapter or IG regiment. It's one of those sci fi tropes that everyone uses but no one really realizes.

In my head canon, the ability to make certain tech's isn't completely lost, certain first founding chapters can replace their terminator armor and other pieces, and they supply other chapters with them. Aside from the few unique items they want to keep.

As for battleships and stuff I like to think that they still produce battleships but what made the old ones valuable is not replaceable.

 

That's the thing, rather than as some unified whole, the Imperium's technology are sealed more as islands.

Ryza, for example, has a mastery of plasma technology probably not matched outside of Mars itself (at least in the IoM). It won't share it's understanding with forge world X, so forge world X and its surrounding sectors have to make due without the incredibly advanced plasma weaponry the worlds near Ryza enjoy.

Repeat this across the entire Imperium of Man.

 

Just goes the show the imperium isn't a unified front, Thanks Gulliman.

 

Source?

We have no idea how the rest of the fight panned out.

It could have been Captain Taremar that won most of that fight. Or the weapons of Enceldaus and Galeo that speared Angron's wrists. Or the 80+ other Grey Knights living at the moment.

Or, most likely of all, a more even contribution of everyone involved.

Angron was slaying 5 Grey Knight Terminators at the same time with his blade. A loss of a powerful demonic weapon has turned back the tide in Grey Knight's favour, regardless of how the rest of the fight played out, that was made clear thanks to Hyperion's intervention. Had not that happened, god knows if any of the Grey Knights would have survived.

You're arguing semantics here.

Hyperion, as I said before, had incredible amounts of psychic power. Combined with his Reflective Psychic...surrounded and connected to 100 of some of the most powerful psychic warriors the Imperium could muster...

He was said to be a very talented psyker, not to have incredible amounts of psychic power. Even if he did, he wasn't exactly a senior librarian, or chief libranian.

Besides, it was him who stopped Angron's blade. Considering how Khorne protects his minions against psychic stuff, I found it far fetched for Angron to have such troubles with a lowly Grey Knight like Hyperion.

I'm personally of the opinion that if Angron hadn't ascended, the Grey Knights would have lost. It was his daemonic nature that sealed his doom. A rock, paper, scissors sort of issue.

I agree. I don't have issues with him losing to Grey Knights, but I have issues with how it was done.

And you're using psychic feats as a ruler ? Wouldn't, you know, the breaker of the Black Blade rank higher than those feats?

Perhaps? But that's my issue all along. Hyperion was never presented to be an immensly powerful psyker, not at least in leagues with the guys that I mentioned. I can agree that he was damn formidable, but there's a whole league above that category.

If so, then by our own measuring system, then Hyperion would be a stronger psyker than those you listed.

And if the breaking of the Black Blade is NOT as impressive of feats as you listed, then Hyperion is in fact weaker than those Librarians...and his feat would surely be more believable for you?

You're just arguing now for the sake of arguing aren't you? xD

 

You're just arguing now for the sake of arguing aren't you? xD

Lol.

I don't think I like Ork fluff. I think it is capable of being a lot darker, in a "Joker" type way. I'm also glad none of the writers chose to write a plot line about orks spreading like a disease. If they have, they made it pretty clear that they purged them... lol. The thing is, the ability of orcs to reproduce is so uncontrollable that the whole galaxy should have infestations in every planet. I mean after scouring a planet, orcs have been known to pop out in the millions a couple years later.

 

I'm not arguing that we don't know how the fight ended. All I'm arguing that breaking the black blade has definitely helped majorly in beating Angron.

Angron without black blade or Angron with the black blade, you decide what's more lethal. Since you're so proud of your logic.

Hyperion's power drew the eyes of the last two Prognosticars of the Chapter. The final Prognosticar said, "Your powers drew notice, even before you were lingering in the trials of assessment."

So do others thousands upon thousands psykers, doesn't means they're top notch. You clearly don't understand the difference between most established psykers in the imperium of man and those that are considered powerful.

The difference is vast.

Anyway I'm done here.

 

Angron without black blade or Angron with the black blade, you decide what's more lethal. Since you're so proud of your logic.

Now you're changing your tune. There's a difference between "The black blade make Angron more deadly" (likely true, but even then, we're not 100% sure) and "Most of Angron's combat effectiveness lies in the Black Blade". But, hey, who needs citations in an argument, right? As long as you "feel" something is true, it ought to be true?

You clearly don't understand the difference between most established psykers in the imperium of man and those that are considered powerful.

You really didn't read The Emperor's Gift did you? Or at least not very thoroughly.

I'd bet money you didn't really read the Ravenor trilogy either.

 

With regards to Hyperion, would just like to point out that as an untrained, virtually comatose teenager, his psychic power was enough to burn out a blank's null aura, effectively turning them into a normal human. The only other thing to achieve something similar, from what I can recall right now, was a demonically possessed titan (beings like Malcador, Magnus and the Emperor have shown themselves to be unaffected by blanks, but not to actually burn them out, though the Emperor could in all likelihood do it, if he were so inclined). So, in terms of raw power, Hyperion is definitely amongst the most powerful psykers to appear in the fluff.

 

So I guess you missed the line where Ravenor stated that as a teen he had no psychic abilities of his own. He was a mirror as in he was able to be a psyker as long as another psyker was in range.

He never gained any abilities that he could use alone till he became a grey knight. That was the emperor's gift.

 

Grav-guns.

They seem way too advanced for the Imperium and even if there were a few of them in existence, shouldnt they be special equipment? Fluff says theres only a handful in the galaxy and yet I face SM lists with more than 12 such weapons.
Rules wise I have difficulties understanding how those things can fire so many times and wound so easily. Theyre not great vs tanks but did the game really need a gun that reliably wipes Terminator squads?

If the grav technology is so easily and effectively weaponised how come Necrons Eldar or Tau dont use it? Each of them are more competent with grav tech but none have thought about grav guns?

 

Grav-guns.

They seem way too advanced for the Imperium

Pre-Heresy? Are you serious? Post-Heresy GGuns are 'too' advanced for obvious reasons.

If the grav technology is so easily and effectively weaponised how come Necrons Eldar or Tau dont use it? Each of them are more competent with grav tech but none have thought about grav guns?

Because they prefer other weapons.

Why don't they create their own version of Space Marines/Primarchs?

The Dark Eldar for example are not fans of heavy/bulky weaponry so you'll never see them in power-armor. They prefer a fragile but fast pace of warfare.

The Tau prefer long range warfare versus close-range because they're pitiful up close.

With regards to Hyperion, would just like to point out that as an untrained, virtually comatose teenager, his psychic power was enough to burn out a blank's null aura, effectively turning them into a normal human .

I've read TEG like 5 times and I don't recall having read that.


My contribution to the thread: the Ork's ability to produce titans of their own using nothing but scrap metal and in mere days/weeks and the fact that the basic Ork soldier is capable of killing and piercing the armor of a Space Marine with nothing more than a spear.

Similarly I'm bothered by the fact that Genestealers, of which there are millions, can slice up Terminator armor like it's made out of butter.

 

Reminder: This was just to vent, if you disagree, just say so. No need to beat them over the head with personal fluff interpretations.

 

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The Tau prefer long range warfare versus close-range because they're pitiful up close.

Hah, In Damocles collection, Shadowsun is fighting a White Scar captain on equal ground, and that is upclose and personal.

I haven't read in detail about Tau and I know that Ethereals are supposed to be quite good in close combat , but isn't this far fetched a bit?

I know it annoyed the hell out of me.

and the fact that the basic Ork soldier is capable of killing and piercing the armor of a Space Marine with nothing more than a spear.

Haven't heard of Feral Orks being capable of that, but normal boys with their chopa are more than able. It's all in their powerful muscles, really. :/

Similarly I'm bothered by the fact that Genestealers, of which there are millions, can slice up Terminator armor like it's made out of butter

Makes you wonder what are their claws made of huh? If a Terminator armor is nothing to them, nothing short of super heavy tanks and titans is capable of withstanding their claws then.

Which is incredibly dumb.

 

Makes you wonder what are their claws made of huh? If a Terminator armor is nothing to them, nothing short of super heavy tanks and titans is capable of withstanding their claws then.

Well they DO have rending - Apparently it's on a 2+ in the books, in comparison to the game

 

Not a tabletop player, sorry XD

 

You killed my joke!