[thomas2]

Both armies have advantages and disadvantages. The Imperium has numbers and space marines, while the Republic has jedi and doesn't have 10 armies attacking them at once. If it was the Empire fighting against the Imperium, then the Imperium would likely lose, since the empire has like a dozen super weapons capable of destroying entire fleets/planets/solar systems.

The Imperium has hundreds of fleet destroying weapons. Heard of the Nova Cannon? It has an explosion bigger than our moon, around 5000 against 3474km. Goodbye Death Star... Anyway around a dozen planet destroyers? I know of the Death Stars, one destroyed, one unfinished then destroyed, so where are the other ten?

 

[Silb]

the other ten are from star wars books and comics and stuff (I just read a wikipedia page about them a few months ago). actually, they were all built at different times and were then blown up, usually by being sent crashing into a sun or having an override code used on them, so the empire could never use all of them at once. But one of them destroyed planets almost exactly like tyranids do, since it destroyed all of a planet's resources and then turned it into droids, ships, and sometimes even another copy of itself. Anyway, I should have worded my post differently. The empire probably wouldn't win, but they would have a better chance than the republic. both would actually have a larger chance of victory than you would think, but it's hard to tell because it is all but impossible to compare the two universes.

 

[BlackApostleVilhelm]

ok i've been reading these posts so far and said nothing but now im going to step in. im a really big star wars fan, just as much as 40k, and believe me neither the Empire or the Republic are pussies as ive read from the posts so far. i do agree with those that say the Empire would lose, horribly, and this is becuase they simply do not have the resources of either the imperium or the republic. as for the republice need i remind everyone that there were NO stormtroopers their army was a bunch of clones that had elite stormtrooper status right when they hit the field of battle. the kaminoins were poppin these guys out in the millions. and then there's the confederation, nothing but bots guys they dont fear or hurt, another army that is being pumped out of factories all over the place. IF the Imperium were to meet that star wars era head to head i guarentee that the confederation and the republic would unite and quite truthfully be just as good if not better than the imperium. technology was not feared in star wars and need i remind everyone that they do have antigravity shit going on and that a lightsaber is NOT a power weapon thak you very much and would kill a space marine outright. that star wars era has way more technological advances than the imperium. as for the space battles looking cool doesnt mean shit. of all the 40k space battles ive heard the shields always get blown out after very few hits whereas starwars the shields are a bitch to get rid of AND there are different kinds of ships just like 40k that are specialized for different things. can you say death star laser that can kill a planet equipped on a large corellian republic cruiser? i can, instant death for ANY imperial ship to come that way AND on top of that they dont have to wait half a friggin hour to reload, it takes seconds at most. the amount of clones and droids that the republic could dish out would outnumber the amount of casualties tremendously and the weapons they carry arent horrible. a normal blaster round from a clone trooper or a droid is better than a lasrifle and would waste any guardsmen in its path. as for space marine legions thats another story. they arent invincible, the jedi order was GIGANTIC before palpatine took over and each was very powerful. yoda would not be killed he's just too damn good. on top of it even republic tanks have miny sheilds. do baneblades? no and the heavy beam cannons on each tank could rip through any imperial armor like paper. the clones are bred for battle and have no fear and extreme calm in any battlefield situation while the droids are....well droids and could manhandle a servitor. not the skiny droids but the super battle droids mind you. i think it would be very even. the space battles would most likely go to the republic while the ground battles would go either way. the imperium may have space marines and bolters but the republic has unending numbers in troops and not even space marines could hold up against thousands upon thousands upon thousands of blaster rounds. oh and we have wookies lol the empire would not fair so well they would most likely get their asses kicked to the curb. sorry darth but your screwed but as for master yoda and darth sidious they have put down their differences to kick some imperium ass. on a sidenote it has been mentioned in many star wars novels of the sith and jedi joining together because of a situation like this. ultimately my vote unfortunately would go to the Republic against both styles of Imperium, they have the government deal figured out perfectly they dont kill alien races cuz they arent human and that has added to much of their technology. So in my book Republic wins, im sorry for the long post but obviously im a big geek about star wars too so id thought i would eluminate you guys on why they arent the big pussies everyone thinks they are.

 

[Carna]

I thought Space Marines weren't into "Space Battles" per se, more like they'd charge into the ship, board and slaughter? If so, wouldn't the Imperium stand a better chance if its before the Heresy and there are thousands upon thousands of Space Marines and their technology is at their peak? If so, space battles could probably go either way.

 

[AzraelJahannam]

Just a couple little side points

- Shields in 40k get torn off fast BECAUSE their weapons are so frigging huge.

-The imperium can put shields on Super heavy tanks and is standard kit for titans.

-The Imperium has untold trillions of men to draw from, and is battle hardened from a millenia of warfare, It is one big battle baptized warrior, fighting off multiple threats at once, Star Wars mainly has to worry about only internal threats... and those throw it for a loop.

-how is a lightsaber not like/stronger than a power weapon?

-How is a blaster (which is just another laser weapon that seems to do the same amount of damage to flesh as a lasrifle: little burnt hole, hell Leia took one to the shoulder) stronger than a lasrifle?

-If a Jedi managed to block a bolter round, it would explode in his face, and the next one would deffineatly hit him while he's trying to pick his eyes up off the ground.

-I personally can't see Yoda kicking Librarian Tigurias's ass.

-Wookie, meet Ogryn... he doesn't use crossbows....

-Totalitarian Oligarchic government (Imperium) = faster and more efficient decision making

-Inquisitorial and Space Marine ships can crisp planets as well.

-Assassinorum

-If one is to choose the highpoint of Starwars society, then why not 40K? Great Cruisade and 20 Space Marine legions anyone? Not to mention Emperor (alive and well) and Horus on the same side? *Prospero burns out Yodas mind while trimming his fingernails with a Powersword*. Can the republic produce clones at a fast enough rate to stop 20 immense space marine legions each lead by a primarch, spearheaded by the Emperor, all of which are carving into the Republic like one giant implacable buzzsaw? (it is also notable that the Imperium was not scared of advancement at that time)

 

[Marcus Antonius Primus]

The Imperium has hundreds of fleet destroying weapons. Heard of the Nova Cannon? It has an explosion bigger than our moon, around 5000 against 3474km. Goodbye Death Star... Anyway around a dozen planet destroyers? I know of the Death Stars, one destroyed, one unfinished then destroyed, so where are the other ten?

In the Dark Empire comics they've built the Galatic Canon which can fire missiles through hyperspace and blow planets from very far away.


Here are how Star Wars and Warhammer 40,000 are connected. Star Wars took place in a far away galaxy, the Sith were converted to Chaos (which they called the Dark Side) but were defeated. Then the Tyranids destroyed what survived the civil wars and the republic decided to send genetic materials in another galaxy through hyperspace (the warp). The material landed on Terra and a new humanity was given birth. The genetic descendants of Adam Skywalker became emperors and kings. In the future one of their descendants became aware of the force and used it to unite humanity. He became the emperor of mankind. But because this branch of humanity appeared later the galaxy was already colonised by older and powerful races. And without all records from the Jedi orders more force sensitive humans left for the Dark Side. All this knowledge is safely kept on Titan in the Codex Maditupus.

:crazy:

 

[BlackApostleVilhelm]

thats exaclty what im trying to say about the clones and droids, they arent "battle hardened civilians" they are bred for war. that is their only purpose in life. im not saying the primarchs and their legions would get their asses handed to them all im saying is it would be pretty damn close and both sides would suffer massive casualties. ie a blaster round is not a laser it is a plasma round shot at high speeds, dont knock something down if you dont know the details. and the only reason leia took one in the shoulder is because it was a dumbed down version of what the clone troopers and droids used to use. the rifles the stormtroopers have are shit and they know it. as for yoda getting his ass kicked...eh i dont think tigurius would have it easy. the force is in essence like psychic powers and force lightning is just as powerful as anything tigurius could throw around, and yoda sucked that into his hand. i dont doubt that bolt rounds would not be able to be blocked because, like you said, they explode like grenades. both sides have ups and downs which is why it would be one hell of a fucking war. on a side note jedi are not as weak as people think. they have the ability to warp time, crush minds, increase their strength and amount of damage they can take and many others. as for the sith they can create shields made of the force around themselves making it almost impossible to kill them and they have force lightning, can drain the life out of someone from up close or far away, the sith are usually assassins and force choke and invisibility come in handy for that and all jedi and sith have the ability, if they train, to become "force ghosts" when they die. these are the actual jedi/sith but made completely of the force. their powers increase exponentially and they can still weild lightsabers and the like. oh and i forgot you cant kill them:biggrin:

 

[horusundivided]

i wonder how many favors the mechanicum would be willing to offer to Horus in exchange for... R2D2

 

[Dirge Eterna]

I'm convinced the Empire would blow the Imperium out of the water.

Stormtroopers use ion bolts, not laser beams. These melt metal and make things stop working, not heat up things to uncomfortably warm. In the fluff it takes 3-4 lasgun shots to stop a human. Star Wars blaster bolts take 1 minor hit, even with armor.

Star Wars is VASTLY more tech-savvy then the Imperium. A Victory-class cruiser could take down 3+ escorts without breaking a sweat. Titans and overwhelming manpower would be equated by low-orbit bombardment and the hightened Technology.

Space Marines are tough, but then again, so are most of the severe nasties in the SW universe. I'd say an SM is worth about 8 Clones.

The Jedi would completely kick ass, as the Imperium has NOTHING, besides warp abilities and massive guns (taken out by bombardments, see above) to stop them. Bolter rounds and shrapnel would be the prime arguements, but bolter rounds can be stopped by lightsabers (I would assume without going off, as they would instantly turn to gas), and force shields can protect against almost all shrapnel. And seeing as Warp abilities and Force powers are so evenly matched, I would assume 70-80% of the time the Jedi would win over the psyker, as they actually know what they're doing.

And then there's the Death Star, the Eclipse-class Star Destroyers, the Super Star Destroyers, and the ever-popular LAAT gunship. Basically, every Stormtrooper is like a no-defenses Space Marine.

 

[cobly]

Star Wars setting has Ewoks. They dealt with the Empire and they can bring down the Imperium too! Don't underestimate teddy bears with spears!

 

[Luciferi]

The Imperium has hundreds of fleet destroying weapons. Heard of the Nova Cannon? It has an explosion bigger than our moon

Where did you read about it having an explosion bigger than our moon?

As far as I'm aware it's just a "super" MAC Gun off the Halo series in an Imperial battleship, just not as good o___o


Keeping on topic. I personally think the imperium would win. I hardly think the high lords of Terra would just sit there watching the Imperium getting taken down like a bitch, and when you consider that they can call TRILLIONS of men and women to arms and get the Space Marines and Adeptus Mechanicus to help, I mean come on.

 

[BlackApostleVilhelm]

so can the empire or the republic. each can call upon trillions of PEOPLE. butthe empire and republic are more tech savy and also have multiple alien species with different attributes to add to the mix too. it would be like the imperium being able to call upon the tau and eldar in a time of need. just read what dirge said about the empire, the republic is like that but with billions of more troops and machines.

 

[thomas2]

Where did you read about it having an explosion bigger than our moon?

In BFG the scale for the space (NOT ships, they aren't to any scale.) is 1cm to 1000km. The blast marker for the Nova cannon has a diameter (distance across) of 5cm, leading to 5000km. The moons diameter is 3700 and something km. I just used the moon to give a vague idea of scale, as just saying 5000km doesn't really mean much to most people.

 

[Angel of Retribution]

Having xenos in teh empire/republic armies would just drive the imperium to mass slaughter. And the repubic at least is too concious to fight a war...they wanna help all the little civilians and protect planets and ideals, the imperium dont' give a monkeys, they'd roll through the SW galaxy like a bulldozer from hell. Although with all the ships from SW, space battle would be tight but land battles would be a cake walk for the imperium. The Jedi are the pinacle of the SW universe and yet even they have been brought to there knees...in SW episode 2, when the hundred or so jedi landed in the colosseum the battle droids cut their numbers down by continuous fire, only a handful survived til the clones got there, so imagine them against the SM. Then during the empires reign, the jedi were hunted by darth vader and slaughtered (assassinated) which is what an arm of the imperium specialises in (assassinorum or however you spell it) So there go the jedi. Clone troopers are less than SM as they are clones of a man, a strong man, but just a man. SM are genetic grandsons of the emperor...COME ON!!! 1 SM=7 CT, i dont think so, more like 1 SM=1000 CT. And all the imperium would have to do is viral bomb/nuke a few strategic planets and the empire/republic would be left a gibbering mess.

Now don't get me wrong, i love Star Wars, i'm a huge fan, but to put SW against the imperium seems a little weak. They might put up a fight but eventually and surely they'd be defeated and forgotten as the imperium stormed off to find more enemies to slaughter.

 

[Red Orc]

Or, to put it another way, an Imperium with a psychic Emperor and loads of cloned troops with power armour and bolters and a massive fleet and the Imperial Army up against an Empire with a psychic Emperor and loads of cloned troops with power armour and plasma guns that don't blow up and a massive fleet (and possibly an Imperial Army too)?

Yeah, a walkover, mostly because there's only one Darth Vader but the Imperium can draw on thousands of Librarians.

On the other hand, the Empire has reliable FTL technology, so Imperial ships could go where they pleased while the Imperium's would keep getting lost in the Warp. And the Empire has a couple of Death Stars don't forget.

So the Empire could pitch up, destroy a planet and be away before you could say "call the Inquisition! we need virus bombs!"

I think Jango Fett is the Primarch of Legio XI by the way.

:cyclops among the pigeons:

 

[AzraelJahannam]

thats exaclty what im trying to say about the clones and droids, they arent "battle hardened civilians" they are bred for war. that is their only purpose in life. im not saying the primarchs and their legions would get their asses handed to them all im saying is it would be pretty damn close and both sides would suffer massive casualties. ie a blaster round is not a laser it is a plasma round shot at high speeds, dont knock something down if you dont know the details. and the only reason leia took one in the shoulder is because it was a dumbed down version of what the clone troopers and droids used to use. the rifles the stormtroopers have are shit and they know it. as for yoda getting his ass kicked...eh i dont think tigurius would have it easy. the force is in essence like psychic powers and force lightning is just as powerful as anything tigurius could throw around, and yoda sucked that into his hand. i dont doubt that bolt rounds would not be able to be blocked because, like you said, they explode like grenades. both sides have ups and downs which is why it would be one hell of a fucking war. on a side note jedi are not as weak as people think. they have the ability to warp time, crush minds, increase their strength and amount of damage they can take and many others. as for the sith they can create shields made of the force around themselves making it almost impossible to kill them and they have force lightning, can drain the life out of someone from up close or far away, the sith are usually assassins and force choke and invisibility come in handy for that and all jedi and sith have the ability, if they train, to become "force ghosts" when they die. these are the actual jedi/sith but made completely of the force. their powers increase exponentially and they can still weild lightsabers and the like. oh and i forgot you cant kill them:biggrin:

Imperial guardsman = only purpose in life is war

So Star Wars Imperial blasters suck like Imperial Guard las rifles, so basically the Imperial star wars are screwed against current Imperium, as they have no clones anymore as well. Old republic star wars have good blasters apparently then, which can kill a gungan with a well placed shot. So I am thinking bitchslaps guardsmen, but is still halted by marine armor for the most part, with the usual hitting joints, eyepieces, weaker armor points going through (in games terms, they get their armor save ). They have loads of clones, but the imperium has loads of already trained, battle hardened people, trillions, and in the great crusade, a hell of a lot of marines, the pinnacle of marines, as they were not slightly debased like the ones now due to inferior technology. Now as for Jedi, it seems like Librarians are on par with them force/psychic wise, but martially, have the edge with their lightsaber equivalent force weapons being backed by all-round superhumanness not including what they can do with the warp, and the force being the only thing that makes jedi in any way superhuman. As for the few jedi who can make force ghosts out of themselves (and I say few because a hell of alot of jedi have died over the years in starwars, and there aren't loads of jedi ghosts running around) I would imagine since they are made of the force, the force/psychic can affect them, and an untouchable would turn them off like a lamplight just by being close (see culexus assassin), speaking of which, the imperium has a whole wing of its assinorum dedicated to essentially killing psykers, aka jedi. So current Imperium could very likely annihilate the Imperial Star Wars. old Republic would give the current Imperium a serious run for its money, I don't know which side would come out on top. And Great Crusade Imperium, well, it would just concentrate on ripping the heart out of the Old Republic, just like the current one, but with 20 space marine Legions, the Emperor, and at the height of its technology. It would just steamroll, no consolidation, no care for civilians, no care for own losses, it would just plow through, because the Imperium is, well, to put it bluntly, brutal. Corusant would just be annihilated. 20 legions of space marines. not just the loyalists, the one day to be chaos ones too. The Alpha Legion, the World Eaters, Thousand Sons... I love Star Wars, but I can't deny the fact that the Imperium would backhand it.

Star Wars is VASTLY more tech-savvy then the Imperium. A Victory-class cruiser could take down 3+ escorts without breaking a sweat. Titans and overwhelming manpower would be equated by low-orbit bombardment and the hightened Technology.

Space Marines are tough, but then again, so are most of the severe nasties in the SW universe. I'd say an SM is worth about 8 Clones.

The Jedi would completely kick ass, as the Imperium has NOTHING, besides warp abilities and massive guns (taken out by bombardments, see above) to stop them. Bolter rounds and shrapnel would be the prime arguements, but bolter rounds can be stopped by lightsabers (I would assume without going off, as they would instantly turn to gas), and force shields can protect against almost all shrapnel. And seeing as Warp abilities and Force powers are so evenly matched, I would assume 70-80% of the time the Jedi would win over the psyker, as they actually know what they're doing.

And then there's the Death Star, the Eclipse-class Star Destroyers, the Super Star Destroyers, and the ever-popular LAAT gunship. Basically, every Stormtrooper is like a no-defenses Space Marine.

-firstly, explain why the starwars ships are so vastly superior to Imperial

-Secondly, the lightsaber would detonate the bolter round before incinerating it, thereby throwing shrapnel in the jedis face, thereby incapacitating it, and the round would be within the force shield for Jedi to be able to counter it.

-Thirdly, in regard to a Jedi beating a psyker because it knows what it's doing... uhhhh... You do know what a Librarian is right?

-The Imperium has Apocalypse class Battleships, and Space Marine Battle Barges.

-Storm troopers do not have a second heart, a third lung, blood that clots almost instantly, superhuman reflexes, an incredibly advanced brain, carapace under their skin, increased skeletal and muscular growth, and a 24/7 constant combat efficiency(unlike the clones, marines don't need to sleep).

 

[arhain]

firstly, explain why the starwars ships are so vastly superior to Imperial

star wars even their fighters can "warp" so of course their captial ships are better

 

[AzraelJahannam]

star wars even their fighters can "warp" so of course their captial ships are better

Alright, so they can all warp, but I was thinking more along the lines of why would one think for example that an Apocalypse class Battleship couldn't turn a Super Star Destroyer into a burning hulk with one shot of its nova cannon? or rather... a whole flotilla of them...

 

[Druchii]

Lol at people who are actually debating this..

 

[RazikTheDevourer]

pfft Star Wars
I'd kick Yoda into a soccer goal.
pfft Star Wars

Laser pistols from star wars, lol even i can dodge them slow moving beams
like to see a Jedi Dodge a 50calibre round