I was thinking, which can be dangerous sometimes I know, about SoB and how they pretty much are neglected at the moment and then I though about how cool it would be if they were in the starter set instead of marines for 6th ed (I love marines, they are what got me into 40k and you won't find a bigger fanboi than me, but I think it would be cool to see another army get some lovin for the first time in 40k's history). You could have them facing CSM or better yet, LatD (this would mean that GW have to rerelease rules for them). I mean seriously what would represent the 40k universe more than the Eclesiarchy fighting traitors, mutants and heretics. You'd have a Cannoness, some sisters, maybe a penitent engine or two on one side and on the other, a squad of renegade guardsmen or CSM (with Alpha Legion markings of course), some cultists, some mutants and maybe some renegade ogryns. That's my idea for the 6th edition boxed set, what would you all like to see in it?
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Please no new edition!
An ecclesarchy plastic force fighting chaos cultist would be a sweet boxset but i can't see GW ever realising it as a starter kit.
More likely be guard vs nids or something similar though I would loathe that
An ecclesarchy plastic force fighting chaos cultist would be a sweet boxset but i can't see GW ever realising it as a starter kit.
More likely be guard vs nids or something similar though I would loathe that
It goes without saying that it'll be Space Marines.
I'd like to see them facing off with the Eldar who should have had a new codex and line of models round about then, bearing in mind that's what happened last time with the Orks.
New all plastic models of Farseer, Banshees, Guardians, Guardian Jetbikes and Wraithlord (I can't see them giving us much better than that) vs The Usual Suspects.
I'd like to see them facing off with the Eldar who should have had a new codex and line of models round about then, bearing in mind that's what happened last time with the Orks.
New all plastic models of Farseer, Banshees, Guardians, Guardian Jetbikes and Wraithlord (I can't see them giving us much better than that) vs The Usual Suspects.
1. Marines will always be in the starter pack.
2. Sisters of Battle are one of the least likely races to be featured in the starter pack.
However, an Imperial Guard vs Chaos Space Marines(or Renegades, if they ever show themselves) could be epic. Mass infantry vs heavy infantry, basilisk vs defiler etc. Would be awesome!
2. Sisters of Battle are one of the least likely races to be featured in the starter pack.
However, an Imperial Guard vs Chaos Space Marines(or Renegades, if they ever show themselves) could be epic. Mass infantry vs heavy infantry, basilisk vs defiler etc. Would be awesome!
I too would like to see some eldar. The ability to make some plastic aspect warriors that are not troops choices is too good to pass up.
Grey Knights... GREY KNIGHTS! Thats what we want, and I would have no problem with what army they face, as long as there are Grey Knights...
Someone did this thread a little while ago, and i also went with SOB vs CSM. I do really like your LatD idea too though.
I guess it's pretty uinlikely, but with SoB vs CSM you've still (sort of) got marines, and it'd be a nice change to the usual sets.
I guess it's pretty uinlikely, but with SoB vs CSM you've still (sort of) got marines, and it'd be a nice change to the usual sets.
GK vs CSM would be awesome.
The problem is, you can't have 2 unmatched armies. If you put GK vs Daemons, it'd be stupidly one-sided.
But CSM vs GK would work, as it'd be evenly matched, with a Summoned Greater Daemon causing havoc, then capturing the Holy daemon-ridding side of the GKs.
Would buy that in an instant.
The problem is, you can't have 2 unmatched armies. If you put GK vs Daemons, it'd be stupidly one-sided.
But CSM vs GK would work, as it'd be evenly matched, with a Summoned Greater Daemon causing havoc, then capturing the Holy daemon-ridding side of the GKs.
Would buy that in an instant.
In an ideal world no marines in the box would be great imo. But since Space Marines, more than likely Ultras at that, Eldar OR Necron would be VERY nice.
But for fluff and epicness CSM vs GK are just so god damned awesome
But for fluff and epicness CSM vs GK are just so god damned awesome
Lots of people seem to be playing guard lately,so theyd be a good choice.
And marines are automatically in.
So I think that the next set should be space marines Vs imperial guard.
And marines are automatically in.
So I think that the next set should be space marines Vs imperial guard.
...they would have to release some pretty fucking insane fluff to make that match up realistic. I would love to see the imperium collapse though.
it is a starter set so the way i see it is the army's should be pretty easy to play and paint as this is what's going to get the young bloods in.
what i think would probably work too draw in the cadet's would be necrons and maybe dark elder,
that way the newbies and us vets could have a nice choice and both these armies need up dating too,
we could go for the wow factor and have models that are hard for the newbies to paint and play but then they would get fed up and wouldn't stick at it long.
what i think would probably work too draw in the cadet's would be necrons and maybe dark elder,
that way the newbies and us vets could have a nice choice and both these armies need up dating too,
we could go for the wow factor and have models that are hard for the newbies to paint and play but then they would get fed up and wouldn't stick at it long.
The thing is that any starter set will have marines. To twist it and put in chaos would be cool. As far as i recall the starter sets have never had chaos, so they would be a nice change. We have had nids, orks and dark eldar. Sob's or gk's would be very cool, but the ever popular guard is pretty likley, although high model count armies would be a problem, 5 marines will take a couple of basically equiped infantry squads. Makes for a pretty one sided boxed set.
marines vs new race
if your gonna launch a new race the best place for it is in the starter set, sweet new race ,sweet cheap models and support it with codex,tanks and elites etc
if your gonna launch a new race the best place for it is in the starter set, sweet new race ,sweet cheap models and support it with codex,tanks and elites etc
They'll deffinately have marines, but could they use a different chapter than ultramarines? Id like to see some new black templars or DA.
As a few other people have said, Space Marines (loyalist not Chaos) are always going to be in the starter set simply because they epitomise 40k.
Also, as we've seen with Black Reach, just because you've been in once as the opposition doesn't mean you can't be in again.
Now the boxset is meant to serve as an intro so you'll have fluff that is fairly straightforward and central to 40k. Hence we're never going to see Guard, Sisters of Battle or any Imperial faction in the starter set.
Chaos Space Marines are just as unlikekly, because vs Space Marines they'd make for a pretty boring boxset.
Orks won't be in the next one because they were in Black Reach, and since Nids were in McCragge, I doubt we'll see them.
Given that sixth edition won't be out until at least mid-2012, I reckon we can shortlist the likely opponents for the Space Marines.
1 - Dark Eldar: with a new codex seemingly imminent, I wouldn't be surprised if they were included to boost sales.
2 - Necrons: Fairly simple to use and with a new codex possibly out next year, these guys are a good bet for likely opposition. I for one would love to see a plastic Necron Lord.
3 - Tau: Say what you like about the blueskins, but their models have a definite cool factor to them, plus they'd be ideal for the streamlining process needed for boxset miniatures.
Eldar: Doubtful to my thinking, if only because of the way they play. Then again Dark Eldar are just as hard to use and they were in the 3rd edition boxset so it's possible. Personally I'd love to see Iyanden featured with an Autarch, some Guardians, a couple of War Walkers and a squad of Wraithguard.
Also, as we've seen with Black Reach, just because you've been in once as the opposition doesn't mean you can't be in again.
Now the boxset is meant to serve as an intro so you'll have fluff that is fairly straightforward and central to 40k. Hence we're never going to see Guard, Sisters of Battle or any Imperial faction in the starter set.
Chaos Space Marines are just as unlikekly, because vs Space Marines they'd make for a pretty boring boxset.
Orks won't be in the next one because they were in Black Reach, and since Nids were in McCragge, I doubt we'll see them.
Given that sixth edition won't be out until at least mid-2012, I reckon we can shortlist the likely opponents for the Space Marines.
1 - Dark Eldar: with a new codex seemingly imminent, I wouldn't be surprised if they were included to boost sales.
2 - Necrons: Fairly simple to use and with a new codex possibly out next year, these guys are a good bet for likely opposition. I for one would love to see a plastic Necron Lord.
3 - Tau: Say what you like about the blueskins, but their models have a definite cool factor to them, plus they'd be ideal for the streamlining process needed for boxset miniatures.
Eldar: Doubtful to my thinking, if only because of the way they play. Then again Dark Eldar are just as hard to use and they were in the 3rd edition boxset so it's possible. Personally I'd love to see Iyanden featured with an Autarch, some Guardians, a couple of War Walkers and a squad of Wraithguard.
Ultramarines are going to be in the next box set, it is just the way it is going to be. We all know that, so no need to further expand on that idea. The terminator and dreadnought models make the kit worth the buy as it is and the 10 standard marines and the commander is just icing on the cake for marine fans. I would throw in a rhino or a drop pod just to really sweeten the deal though...
Tau would be a good second set to clash against the smurfs. I like that idea. They do have a draw on the younger crowd with the anime connection. I personally do not like the tau models, but that is just my personal tastes.
Nids would also be a good choice even though they were done before. Enough time has passed to throw nids in again, especially with all the new models available. That would be a contender for sure.
CSM, not going to happen. People new to the system would be slightly confused as to which marines were who and who belonged to what. I just don't see it. That and it would reduce the model count in the box by too much. Face it, the high number of orks in the current box really makes it stand out as a great deal for the new and seasoned consumer.
Any other imperial force isn't going to be in a new box, they can't clash with the Ultramarines, doesn't make sense to a new player or even the fluff that is current. They also are not going to drop marines from the box, so they are out all together. The only slight possibility would be guard instead of marines, but that is such a long shot it is but a pipe dream.
Necrons would be cool, no doubt about it. Very feasible and interesting for the box to have them included. A good choice. With new stuff reportedly on the way, it would be a reasonable choice to include them. I for one would buy the set if it were necrons as I have always wanted to do an army.
Dark Eldar would be another decent choice, but that will depend on the new codex and rules put out for them. As they stand, that army is more for an experienced gamer so that is a drawback for including them. Again, model count would also be a factor for not having them, not enough in the box to make it a great deal.
Eldar, maybe, but again, just like the Dark Eldar, not the easiest army for a new person to jump into 40k with and model count comes into play here too.
Orks have been done, but that doesn't mean we might not see them again. Drop the deff copters and put in a trukk or bikers or even a deff dread or dare I say, some killa kans, and the box set would be fresh as a daisy. Maybe even buff up the nobs to a 10 count to make it a super sexy deal.
My vote would be nids or necrons, either one would make for a decent boxed set that could be expanded quite easily. Second choice would be Orks again, albeit with a better support choice over the deff copters and more nobs.
The one thing I would really love to see in a boxed set would be complete codices for both armies, (which ever ones they end up being) included. I think that would be a huge draw to the experienced gamer to buy what is considered an introduction set if it came with very complete books. They would draw sales from new and old alike if they did that. Even if they were miniaturized like the AoBR BRB, it would still be a major draw.
Tau would be a good second set to clash against the smurfs. I like that idea. They do have a draw on the younger crowd with the anime connection. I personally do not like the tau models, but that is just my personal tastes.
Nids would also be a good choice even though they were done before. Enough time has passed to throw nids in again, especially with all the new models available. That would be a contender for sure.
CSM, not going to happen. People new to the system would be slightly confused as to which marines were who and who belonged to what. I just don't see it. That and it would reduce the model count in the box by too much. Face it, the high number of orks in the current box really makes it stand out as a great deal for the new and seasoned consumer.
Any other imperial force isn't going to be in a new box, they can't clash with the Ultramarines, doesn't make sense to a new player or even the fluff that is current. They also are not going to drop marines from the box, so they are out all together. The only slight possibility would be guard instead of marines, but that is such a long shot it is but a pipe dream.
Necrons would be cool, no doubt about it. Very feasible and interesting for the box to have them included. A good choice. With new stuff reportedly on the way, it would be a reasonable choice to include them. I for one would buy the set if it were necrons as I have always wanted to do an army.
Dark Eldar would be another decent choice, but that will depend on the new codex and rules put out for them. As they stand, that army is more for an experienced gamer so that is a drawback for including them. Again, model count would also be a factor for not having them, not enough in the box to make it a great deal.
Eldar, maybe, but again, just like the Dark Eldar, not the easiest army for a new person to jump into 40k with and model count comes into play here too.
Orks have been done, but that doesn't mean we might not see them again. Drop the deff copters and put in a trukk or bikers or even a deff dread or dare I say, some killa kans, and the box set would be fresh as a daisy. Maybe even buff up the nobs to a 10 count to make it a super sexy deal.
My vote would be nids or necrons, either one would make for a decent boxed set that could be expanded quite easily. Second choice would be Orks again, albeit with a better support choice over the deff copters and more nobs.
The one thing I would really love to see in a boxed set would be complete codices for both armies, (which ever ones they end up being) included. I think that would be a huge draw to the experienced gamer to buy what is considered an introduction set if it came with very complete books. They would draw sales from new and old alike if they did that. Even if they were miniaturized like the AoBR BRB, it would still be a major draw.
The reason that there's always going to be effectively, blank Space Marines in the starter box is twofold and simple.
For newcomers. They have not yet formed an allegiance to any specific chapter, so to them it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
For those of us already immersed in the hobby. They are providing models that can be used in more than one army. Painted up (you do paint your models, don't you?) and with maybe a little bit of help from your bits box, they will be perfect additions to any collection of Ultramarines, Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, etc. And with perhaps a touch more effort and a second visit to Mister Bitz-Box, they can make passable rank and file Chaos Space Marines, too.
But let's face it. If they came with, let's say Space Wolves iconography all over them, I'd be ecstatic, as would lots of other gamers. But they'd be of virtually no practical use to players of other chapters, Imperial or otherwise. Who's going to run out and buy the starter kit if they immediately have to start filing chapter specific detail from around thirty models before they can use them? Not as many as Games Workshop would like...
No, it's much easier to provide a relatively blank canvas all around, I feel.
For newcomers. They have not yet formed an allegiance to any specific chapter, so to them it doesn't really matter one way or the other.
For those of us already immersed in the hobby. They are providing models that can be used in more than one army. Painted up (you do paint your models, don't you?) and with maybe a little bit of help from your bits box, they will be perfect additions to any collection of Ultramarines, Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Angels, Space Wolves, etc. And with perhaps a touch more effort and a second visit to Mister Bitz-Box, they can make passable rank and file Chaos Space Marines, too.
But let's face it. If they came with, let's say Space Wolves iconography all over them, I'd be ecstatic, as would lots of other gamers. But they'd be of virtually no practical use to players of other chapters, Imperial or otherwise. Who's going to run out and buy the starter kit if they immediately have to start filing chapter specific detail from around thirty models before they can use them? Not as many as Games Workshop would like...
No, it's much easier to provide a relatively blank canvas all around, I feel.
Tau vs Orks. I played a battle (Tau won) but it's pretty balanced. Mobile fire support against fast-ish footslogging hordes.
i remember in 3rd (?) ed when the starter kit was CSM vs DE...is that the ONLY box that did not feature SMs?
otherwise id like LatD Vs imperium force ______ (preferably not SMs)
otherwise id like LatD Vs imperium force ______ (preferably not SMs)
Nope that was Black Templars vs DE. The box set will always contain space muhreens and there is nothing we can do about it.
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