I don't know if this thread has been done before (I looked and couldn't find it) and i was just curious, who do you guys/girls think is gonna win in the end war. It has to end sometime, who is gonna come out on top, with logical explanations on why if you can....
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well it will probably be someone like the nids or orks cos they seem to have an endless supply of warriors to throw at the other races but I'd like to think the Imperium because once some of the primarchs awaken or heal or return then they'll muster the entire space marine army and go on one massive crusade 
I think the Imperium will win out. If the Primarchs return or the Emperor awakens, a re-energized, stronger Imperium is posible. Plus, if (and I said if) the Emperor could reunify both the loyalist and traitor Space Marines, there would be no stopping humanity.
Barring that, Nids and Orks are the best bet to win out. Their numbers are too great for the Imperium to deal with, unless all the Space Marines were united against them.
~fearlessgod~
Barring that, Nids and Orks are the best bet to win out. Their numbers are too great for the Imperium to deal with, unless all the Space Marines were united against them.
~fearlessgod~
I agree. I guess the Emperor would have to use his God-like psychic power to purge the corruption from the traitors. Blast the traitor Primarchs with some psychic purge and make them see the error of their ways. Are any traitors redeemable though? Can the taint of Chaos be purged from their being? 10000 years of corruption is alot of corruption. If this happened ,yes the Imperium would survive. Otherwise Id go with Chaos.
chaos daemons have an unlimited supply of troops so can't loose so therefore will probally win.
if chaos space marines and loyalist space marines are acting together, nothing will stop them
if the Void Dragon wakes up, nithing will stop the necrons
if the Eldars manage to take back all of their lost words, they will destroy the entire galaxy
if the main Tyrannid hive-fleet come in the galaxy, nothing will stop them
if all orks are together under a powerfull leader(like Traka), nothing will stop them
if the humans(Imperial Guard) accept the Greater good, there will be peace in the galaxy.
if the daemons manage to stay out of the Warp, they will win.
the most probable of this facts is the arriving of the main tyrranid hive-fleet
Prepare your lasgun....
if the Void Dragon wakes up, nithing will stop the necrons
if the Eldars manage to take back all of their lost words, they will destroy the entire galaxy
if the main Tyrannid hive-fleet come in the galaxy, nothing will stop them
if all orks are together under a powerfull leader(like Traka), nothing will stop them
if the humans(Imperial Guard) accept the Greater good, there will be peace in the galaxy.
if the daemons manage to stay out of the Warp, they will win.
the most probable of this facts is the arriving of the main tyrranid hive-fleet
Prepare your lasgun....
Necrons - the only reason they were defeated last time was because all the C'tan turned on each other and the Eldar managed to lock the Nightbringer in stasis. plus they are unaffected by he warp.
Eldar - they are the most technologically advnced, but a dying race. if they can finally overcome their problems and defeat Slaanesh, the rest of the Galaxy may stand a chance
Orks - they are almost infinite in number, do not feel pain, have no fear and grow stronger he more they fight. If the Necrons dont fully wake up and exterminate hem, they could be poised to take over the Galaxy. they dont kneed one all-powerful leader to launch a Great WAAAAGH, the just need several slightly less powerful ones to strike a certain planets to plunge them, like Armageddon, into a never ending war.
Tyrannids - If the Necrons dont wake up in time, the Nids will "remove" all life from this Galaxy and move on, leaving their star-gods to starve. they, like the Orks are innumerble in number, and can adapt to any event or terrain. they have, presumably, already truimphed in other Galaxies,and there is no reason why they shouldn't do so again.
Eldar - they are the most technologically advnced, but a dying race. if they can finally overcome their problems and defeat Slaanesh, the rest of the Galaxy may stand a chance
Orks - they are almost infinite in number, do not feel pain, have no fear and grow stronger he more they fight. If the Necrons dont fully wake up and exterminate hem, they could be poised to take over the Galaxy. they dont kneed one all-powerful leader to launch a Great WAAAAGH, the just need several slightly less powerful ones to strike a certain planets to plunge them, like Armageddon, into a never ending war.
Tyrannids - If the Necrons dont wake up in time, the Nids will "remove" all life from this Galaxy and move on, leaving their star-gods to starve. they, like the Orks are innumerble in number, and can adapt to any event or terrain. they have, presumably, already truimphed in other Galaxies,and there is no reason why they shouldn't do so again.
It all depends on who the nids fight first.
If they fight the orks - Nids win. they get toooo massive to stop, just due to the VOLUME of organic material they would garner.
If they the Necrons, its a toss-up between Orks, imperium, and Chaos; cause' Crons don't produce any digestible material. Even in the game, the wounded (that don't stand back up) get teleported back to a crypt for more strict repairs. HOWEVER; when eaten, they arn't getting rebuilt; and no sigle force can stop the Nids. The metal isn't indistructable, it just grows. If disollved? bye-bye metal. The problem is that the Nids probably can't get anything from eating the Crons. I know it says in the books that Nids avoid Crypt worlds, but Nids ARE life in its most primal form, something the necrons are programmed to stamp out. With Crons gone and Nids not growing back hives from removing them, the shear losses will feed the deamons of chaos to a size unimaginable, the Orks will have more focused enemies to fight, and the Empyrium will keep on chuging along do to its size.
With 2 of the 3 splinter hives coming in surrounding the Tau empire, and the one that is halted by the marines is right on top of thier 3rd expantion. The other two: they are gonna blow right through the Tau empire before they fight Majority Crons or Orks. in other words - they gone! Both groups of eldar are hosed, since the are dying faster then they are reproducing; end of story; I don't care that the dark eldar have a webway city. They are doomed by Chaos invasions. Harlequins have a shot @ living forever in the Webway, but as seen w/ the experimental codex, they don't make an army themselves. All that is left is Humans, Chaos humans, and Orks. Orks make up the majority of life in the Milky way right now, Humans and Nids coming in behind. Chaos will keep fighting until the Eldar + Emporer are gone, then nothing will hold open the Eye of terror as too little will be feeding the deamons. If they hold out, they can win, but they won't hold out. The empire? only runs due to its volume. If wars begin to stop, they will have too much time to think about themselvs, and the entire thing will colapse unless the 'emprer's long lost sun' or some such bull can pull it together.
I'm banking on the Nids myself, Orks in the second slot, Humans third (until they collapse in on themselves being the last man standing)
If they fight the orks - Nids win. they get toooo massive to stop, just due to the VOLUME of organic material they would garner.
If they the Necrons, its a toss-up between Orks, imperium, and Chaos; cause' Crons don't produce any digestible material. Even in the game, the wounded (that don't stand back up) get teleported back to a crypt for more strict repairs. HOWEVER; when eaten, they arn't getting rebuilt; and no sigle force can stop the Nids. The metal isn't indistructable, it just grows. If disollved? bye-bye metal. The problem is that the Nids probably can't get anything from eating the Crons. I know it says in the books that Nids avoid Crypt worlds, but Nids ARE life in its most primal form, something the necrons are programmed to stamp out. With Crons gone and Nids not growing back hives from removing them, the shear losses will feed the deamons of chaos to a size unimaginable, the Orks will have more focused enemies to fight, and the Empyrium will keep on chuging along do to its size.
With 2 of the 3 splinter hives coming in surrounding the Tau empire, and the one that is halted by the marines is right on top of thier 3rd expantion. The other two: they are gonna blow right through the Tau empire before they fight Majority Crons or Orks. in other words - they gone! Both groups of eldar are hosed, since the are dying faster then they are reproducing; end of story; I don't care that the dark eldar have a webway city. They are doomed by Chaos invasions. Harlequins have a shot @ living forever in the Webway, but as seen w/ the experimental codex, they don't make an army themselves. All that is left is Humans, Chaos humans, and Orks. Orks make up the majority of life in the Milky way right now, Humans and Nids coming in behind. Chaos will keep fighting until the Eldar + Emporer are gone, then nothing will hold open the Eye of terror as too little will be feeding the deamons. If they hold out, they can win, but they won't hold out. The empire? only runs due to its volume. If wars begin to stop, they will have too much time to think about themselvs, and the entire thing will colapse unless the 'emprer's long lost sun' or some such bull can pull it together.
I'm banking on the Nids myself, Orks in the second slot, Humans third (until they collapse in on themselves being the last man standing)
The cruel joke of it all is that Chaos has already claimed victory. The entire galaxy is plunged in war; serving Khorne. The ultimate demise of any race serves Nurgle. The evolution of change, even through Nids, serves Tzeentch. And the pleasure taken in any of it serves Slannesh.
Go ahead, do whatever you want; the primal powers will live forever.
Go ahead, do whatever you want; the primal powers will live forever.
What about the Necrons closing up the warp? That's a loss for the Chaos gods. Or what about the emotionless nids being the last left? Goodbye to Slaanesh, and they'll leave the galaxy empty and life-less, so Nurgle, Khorne and Tzeentch are suddenly in trouble. So the Chaos gods don't have a definite win. To make it even worse for them the two races that could kill them are the most likely to win.
Of course the Imperium could win, in which case they'll become powerful enough to threaten the Chaos gods.
Or maybe the Eldar kill Slaanesh.
It appears the Chaos gods are as screwed as everyone else.
But if the warp is somehow completely severed from the material world then it doesn't matter what happens, the chaos gods will stew forever, never being able to influence the material world and its inhabitants...IF it could be done which i doubt very much...
As for who will win, i dunno...i've only been playing for a year. I've read a lot on each and every race and they all have strengths and weaknesses. Its a hard one to put money on but i would have to say the necrons, but am praying for humanity!!!
As for who will win, i dunno...i've only been playing for a year. I've read a lot on each and every race and they all have strengths and weaknesses. Its a hard one to put money on but i would have to say the necrons, but am praying for humanity!!!
I dont think its poswsible for the Eldar to completely kill Slaanesh. Once something like that has been created, it would nigh-on impossible to contain it.
if the Necrons got completely wiped out, you can say goodbye to the rest of the Galaxy - the wierd pillar things (cant remember name) on Cadia that are holding the Eye of terror in check are Necrontyr contructs built as a permanant way of holding back the Warp, the main enemty of the C'tan. But they are powered by the life energy of the C'tan, so if they die completely, which is unlikely, Cadia will fall, and the Eye will spew forth an unquenchable army of Chaos.
This also links to the Eldar who, i they are ever completely destroyed, will release the power of their God, Khain, which will immediatly target the Necrons, being their origional enemies, killing thm all and subsequently realeasing the Eye of Terror (which they ironically created.)
Orks and Nids are the most and least lkely to win the galaxy, depending on which way you look at it. on one hand they have enough warriors to completely overrun everything in the Galaxy, but they are also two of the most phsycically powerful races, as well as the Eldar, so any fluxuatins in the warp will affect them, and if the Warp is completely cut of from the material world, all three of these races will suffer the most.
the eldar will not be able to communicate or see into the future etc.
the Nids' hive-mind will not be able to communicate with the Hive Fleets, and they will fall into disarray, althought they will still be a force to be reckoned with.
the orks are the most interesting - the only thing that keep any of the Ork Meks inventians (Tanks, Guns etc) is the psychic power of the Orks aroun d them. they belive that they will work, and so they do. but if you take away the Orks subliminal psychic bilities, they will not have the power to sustain the weapons etc and they will just fall apart. this will deprive the orks of long ranged weapons, space travel and basic transport, effectivally rendering them useless.
this is why i love the 40k universe, and the amount of thought that GW has put into this to ensure that no single race can ever reign supreme.
if the Necrons got completely wiped out, you can say goodbye to the rest of the Galaxy - the wierd pillar things (cant remember name) on Cadia that are holding the Eye of terror in check are Necrontyr contructs built as a permanant way of holding back the Warp, the main enemty of the C'tan. But they are powered by the life energy of the C'tan, so if they die completely, which is unlikely, Cadia will fall, and the Eye will spew forth an unquenchable army of Chaos.
This also links to the Eldar who, i they are ever completely destroyed, will release the power of their God, Khain, which will immediatly target the Necrons, being their origional enemies, killing thm all and subsequently realeasing the Eye of Terror (which they ironically created.)
Orks and Nids are the most and least lkely to win the galaxy, depending on which way you look at it. on one hand they have enough warriors to completely overrun everything in the Galaxy, but they are also two of the most phsycically powerful races, as well as the Eldar, so any fluxuatins in the warp will affect them, and if the Warp is completely cut of from the material world, all three of these races will suffer the most.
the eldar will not be able to communicate or see into the future etc.
the Nids' hive-mind will not be able to communicate with the Hive Fleets, and they will fall into disarray, althought they will still be a force to be reckoned with.
the orks are the most interesting - the only thing that keep any of the Ork Meks inventians (Tanks, Guns etc) is the psychic power of the Orks aroun d them. they belive that they will work, and so they do. but if you take away the Orks subliminal psychic bilities, they will not have the power to sustain the weapons etc and they will just fall apart. this will deprive the orks of long ranged weapons, space travel and basic transport, effectivally rendering them useless.
this is why i love the 40k universe, and the amount of thought that GW has put into this to ensure that no single race can ever reign supreme.
the nids and necrons have no reason to fight thats why the nids never go to any tomb worlds. necrons in order to awaken must meet beings with certian qualifications and i dont think being a bug is one of them. the nids on the other hand know when to avoid danger when there is no profit in it for them. simply even if the nids invade a tombworld and awake the necrons they will probobally just teleport away to go pick on some humans and thus the nids gain nothing from this. the original plan of the C'tan after their little civil war and destruction of the galaxy was to wait it out and let the eye of terror burn itself out. (i think the eye was the eldars fault correct me if im wrong) thus there would never be any real conflict between the nids and necrons as there is no food or souls. the crons will win in the sence that they will destroy everybody and take their souls and the nids will do as theyv'e always dont and go look for more food. after that the necrons go back to sleep and wait it out again...... probably to nid termites trying eat them.
are there actualy any primarch left?
kinda funny somebody said something about the emporers long lost son ive been playing with makeing a model and some stats. perhaps some back story standard im your son why do you need primarch am i not good enough so he goes crusadeing across the outer rim to prove hes better and ends up in a warp storm where time stands still thusly allowing him to live all this time. im way off topic now.
necrons hands down if the 2 remaining gods awaken/come back from the blackness of space. there is no defence from gauss nids dont evolve on a atomic lvl and that is where gauss works.
second is the ork/nid being as there currently fighting the nids pick up alotta ork traits lurking turns to constant charge due to the orkiness. or orks just get so big there the size of warhound titans and crush all cause im the biggest and the strongest.
eldar are dead same with dark eldar.
tau cant take the numbers the crons orks and nids can come up with.
csm are not unlimited they are the same one from 10k years ago.
imperium has the numbers but not the supplies.
chaos deamons could win if there is a big enough rift for them to flow through. wonder if a c'tan would eat them there energy beings but its warp energy hmmm dont know.
kinda funny somebody said something about the emporers long lost son ive been playing with makeing a model and some stats. perhaps some back story standard im your son why do you need primarch am i not good enough so he goes crusadeing across the outer rim to prove hes better and ends up in a warp storm where time stands still thusly allowing him to live all this time. im way off topic now.
necrons hands down if the 2 remaining gods awaken/come back from the blackness of space. there is no defence from gauss nids dont evolve on a atomic lvl and that is where gauss works.
second is the ork/nid being as there currently fighting the nids pick up alotta ork traits lurking turns to constant charge due to the orkiness. or orks just get so big there the size of warhound titans and crush all cause im the biggest and the strongest.
eldar are dead same with dark eldar.
tau cant take the numbers the crons orks and nids can come up with.
csm are not unlimited they are the same one from 10k years ago.
imperium has the numbers but not the supplies.
chaos deamons could win if there is a big enough rift for them to flow through. wonder if a c'tan would eat them there energy beings but its warp energy hmmm dont know.
Ok rant time, also known as theoryHammer.
The eldar can't win on grounds of they do not have the numbers needed to launch a war of this scale.
Chaos daemons the same, the greater gods are greedy and every daemon they spawn leeches a portion of their power away. Yes khorne could spawn a billion bloodletters but he would cease to be, khorne being a god and all, will never do that. On top of that when/if the eldar and humanity die out, the chaos gods battery of power will be gone, this will almost utterly decimate deamons as well as...
Traitor Marines have the advantage of extremely long lives 10,000 years of real time experience, which makes for a deadly warrior. the problem is again numbers. Even with the original traitors and all the individuals that have gone rouge since the heresy, chaos marines die of at rate much to high for decent growth. Hell khorne's realm is a battle field, that tens of thousands fight and die by the day for his favor.
Humanity, as much as id like to say would win, is much to fractured to take it all, but it is much to numerous to fall completely. a single message sent out across the segmentums, would marshalize humanity into the single most formidable defensive bastion ever. "The emperor is in danger!!!" would bring every single marine, sister, inquisitor, guardsman, and titan to the sol system. And if they are still alive Dorn, Russ, the Khan, and the Lion would come back and Guilleman would be brought out of stasis. With all of this Terra will never fall, we wont be ale to leave system, but it wont fall.
Which brings me to the last four. Crons, orks, nids, and tau.
Tau have hooves, things with hooves are called live stock. Live stock is for eating, the tau just haven't realized that they are actually quarter pounders yet.
The crons will eventually march upon galaxy extinguishing all life, just warping out and coming back with more number win it gets too bad. The problem is nids and orks eat there foes, and I don't believe digested cron will warp out of an ork gut.
and lastly the eternal stalemate that will rage across everything, and it is simple orks spawn all they need is sunlight to grow, they are after all mushrooms.Which provides the nids the equivalent to a self refilling all you can eat sizzler buffet. orks get bigger and spawn more orks, they kill nids, nids kill orks, nids make more nids from the ultimated food supply, orks spawn more orks.
So in the end Orks and Nids will be EVERYWHERE except sol and All three survivors will never make any real head way again.
The eldar can't win on grounds of they do not have the numbers needed to launch a war of this scale.
Chaos daemons the same, the greater gods are greedy and every daemon they spawn leeches a portion of their power away. Yes khorne could spawn a billion bloodletters but he would cease to be, khorne being a god and all, will never do that. On top of that when/if the eldar and humanity die out, the chaos gods battery of power will be gone, this will almost utterly decimate deamons as well as...
Traitor Marines have the advantage of extremely long lives 10,000 years of real time experience, which makes for a deadly warrior. the problem is again numbers. Even with the original traitors and all the individuals that have gone rouge since the heresy, chaos marines die of at rate much to high for decent growth. Hell khorne's realm is a battle field, that tens of thousands fight and die by the day for his favor.
Humanity, as much as id like to say would win, is much to fractured to take it all, but it is much to numerous to fall completely. a single message sent out across the segmentums, would marshalize humanity into the single most formidable defensive bastion ever. "The emperor is in danger!!!" would bring every single marine, sister, inquisitor, guardsman, and titan to the sol system. And if they are still alive Dorn, Russ, the Khan, and the Lion would come back and Guilleman would be brought out of stasis. With all of this Terra will never fall, we wont be ale to leave system, but it wont fall.
Which brings me to the last four. Crons, orks, nids, and tau.
Tau have hooves, things with hooves are called live stock. Live stock is for eating, the tau just haven't realized that they are actually quarter pounders yet.
The crons will eventually march upon galaxy extinguishing all life, just warping out and coming back with more number win it gets too bad. The problem is nids and orks eat there foes, and I don't believe digested cron will warp out of an ork gut.
and lastly the eternal stalemate that will rage across everything, and it is simple orks spawn all they need is sunlight to grow, they are after all mushrooms.Which provides the nids the equivalent to a self refilling all you can eat sizzler buffet. orks get bigger and spawn more orks, they kill nids, nids kill orks, nids make more nids from the ultimated food supply, orks spawn more orks.
So in the end Orks and Nids will be EVERYWHERE except sol and All three survivors will never make any real head way again.
problem w/ that is that if the nids consume all available life in our galaxy, they will simple move on. allowing the orks, if theres any left that thenids havnt fund to re-emerge and start over.
but if the nids have eaten all the biomass in the Galaxy, apart from Sol, there would be no where for the orks to hide, and they would die out. then the nids wuld leave. unless the nids became advanced enought to ctually farm the orks on several planets so they have a constant food supply.
The impirial in me wants to say things like "Faith is the most powerfull wepon of all and no damd nid, cron, ork, or daemon can take that from us!"
But realisticly thats bulshit- The only way I can see anyone but the Crons winning is the emporer coming back and psycicly defeating the Necron's Gods- Mortally cripling their operation- wich would lead to a Tirinid victory, and then a gradual dying out of the nids due to the fact that if they win they starve and die out. Implying that it all starts from the begining again.
But realisticly thats bulshit- The only way I can see anyone but the Crons winning is the emporer coming back and psycicly defeating the Necron's Gods- Mortally cripling their operation- wich would lead to a Tirinid victory, and then a gradual dying out of the nids due to the fact that if they win they starve and die out. Implying that it all starts from the begining again.
The Tyranids. I've said this before. The Tyranids bring in full force and kill the Tau and Ultramarines. Next, the Shadow in the Warp kicks in and the Emperors defenses against Chaos go down, so Chaos comes flooding through the Cadian Gate and Eye of Terror. The Void Dragon wakes up and the Outsider breaks out of the Dyson Sphere. All the Necrons awaken at once and war breaks out everywhere. Orks get eaten due to Tyranid numbers and the Eldar fail in trying to stop the Necrons, along with the Dark Eldar.All of the Inquisition and Space Marines hold off the C'tan at Terra and the Illuminati sacrifice the Sensei so that the Emperor gets reborn as the Sensei-Emperor. He kills the C'tan and eventually all the races are wiped out by Tyranids. Remember there are trillions and trillions of these things through the void and in other universes. Then the Tyranids go and terrorize another Universe once they have sucked the biomass from every planet so that nothing can be alive ever again.
All of the above = Tyranids = Owning!!!
. Next, the Shadow in the Warp kicks in and the Emperors defenses against Chaos go down, so Chaos comes flooding through the Cadian Gate and Eye of Terror. The Void Dragon wakes up and the Outsider breaks out of the Dyson Sphere. All the Necrons awaken at once and war breaks out everywhere. Orks get eaten due to Tyranid numbers and the Eldar fail in trying to stop the Necrons, along with the Dark Eldar.All of the Inquisition and Space Marines hold off the C'tan at Terra and the Illuminati sacrifice the Sensei so that the Emperor gets reborn as the Sensei-Emperor. He kills the C'tan and eventually all the races are wiped out by Tyranids. Remember there are trillions and trillions of these things through the void and in other universes. Then the Tyranids go and terrorize another Universe once they have sucked the biomass from every planet so that nothing can be alive ever again.All of the above = Tyranids = Owning!!!
I say chaos will win out because basically every other race stays away from the eye of terror chaos doznt have to worry about being invaded by anyone but eachother.
The Eldar will get even better at manip... erm, inspiring the Imperium to righteous wrath against the greatest threats. They will find themselves having to fight less and less, and can focus more fully on the Exodite worlds. The Dark Eldar and Harlequins will continue to do what they do; eventually, the race will again be fairly united. Which means the Dark Eldar will stop feeding Slaanesh.
The Necrons will eventually make their way to Cadia, and strengthen the pillars there.
The Imperium may decide it's foolish to squabble amongst themselves and focus on their bigger enemies, such as orcs, which will curb their growth... perhaps do it intelligently (due no doubt to Eldar influence) and strengthen their borders to the point that orcs are directed towards Tau worlds and those infested with tyranids.
The Necrons will eventually make their way to Cadia, and strengthen the pillars there.
The Imperium may decide it's foolish to squabble amongst themselves and focus on their bigger enemies, such as orcs, which will curb their growth... perhaps do it intelligently (due no doubt to Eldar influence) and strengthen their borders to the point that orcs are directed towards Tau worlds and those infested with tyranids.
as already said whatever happens will benefit the ruinous powers anger and war = khorne
death and sorrow = nurgle etc
death and sorrow = nurgle etc
Imperium because I do not want to be denounced as a heritic. With the Ultramarines as the heroes.
Tyranids/Orks/Chaos realistically due to their overwhelming numbers.
Tyranids/Orks/Chaos realistically due to their overwhelming numbers.
Orks!
The Imperium will perish at the hands of the forces of Chaos, who will then eradicate the Eldar stain from the galaxy, then burn themselves out. The dark eldar have no real ambitions towards galactic conquest. The tyranids will wipe out the tau, and with very little organic life left in the galaxy, move on to pastures new. The necrons will go back to sleep for the same reason, and then all those ork spores lying dormant will awaken, and a new Green Empire will rise.
The Imperium will perish at the hands of the forces of Chaos, who will then eradicate the Eldar stain from the galaxy, then burn themselves out. The dark eldar have no real ambitions towards galactic conquest. The tyranids will wipe out the tau, and with very little organic life left in the galaxy, move on to pastures new. The necrons will go back to sleep for the same reason, and then all those ork spores lying dormant will awaken, and a new Green Empire will rise.
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