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Who wins the Long Game?

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#1 ·
Of all the long lived beings and entities in the 40k-verse, which in your opinion has the greatest chance of emerging as the most successful? Not necessarily the sole survivor of them all, but the most likely to achieve lasting dominance?

Is it:

A: The c'tan. Over however long it takes, perhaps the shards manage to gradually rejoin themselves, be it by chance, engineering or carelessness on the part of their captors. Perhaps some trancendent shards become aware enough of their past to truly become what they once were, maybe a few manage to emerge and topple their former masters in vengeance. From here they could do pretty much anything, imposing their rule upon the younger races of the galaxy and reigniting the War with the Warp fed deities and worshipers just like the days of old where time was to their advantage.

B: The necrons. Through whatever you may call it, conquest or conviction, perhaps a visionary necron lord such as Anrakyr, Imotekh or Szarekh manages to pull the divided necron empire back together in time to reclaim the galaxy from the threats within and without. The tyranids are driven back and/or defeated, the influence of Chaos brought back under control and the younger races either stamped out or brought into compliance, serving whatever useful end their masters may dictate. The hold on the c'tan is maintained and with stability achieved greater measures are developed to keep them contained.

C: The Tyranids. With too little too late amassed to stop them, the constant influx of tyranid Hive Fleets proves too much for the denizens of the galaxy to handle and their feeding frenzy drives all other life in the galaxy to extinction. The turbulence in the warp from so much resounding death may slow them for a time, but in the end they are stronger and more numerous for having fed on such powerful genetic samples, spelling even swifter doom for whichever galaxy falls under their ever hungry gaze next.

D: Chaos. With ever greater numbers of mortals succumbing to their divine influence and their power reaching near unstoppable levels, the very moment of the Emperor's death spells not only doom for the Imperium, but for every other being in the galaxy as Humanity falls completely under the sway of the Dark Gods. Powered by the four winds, an army of unstoppable fanatics and slaves marches forth, feeding the Eye of Terror's growth until the entire galaxy is naught but the gods' playground.

E: The Mortal Races. While no single regime will endure forever, the deaths of those now feeds the courage of those in the future, inspiring the next generations to continue the fight. One by one the enemies of all living things are brought crashing down, the tyranids eradicated, the c'tan and their masters brought to heel and the influence of Chaos stemmed and bled dry by enlightenment and understanding. Though the Imperium may not have survived, and the tau and eldar races lie bloodied or broken, Life itself continues to endure, refusing to submit to even the darkest forces the universe can bring to bear.



Stirring speeches aside, which of those do you perceive to be the most realistic outcome of the current setting?
 
#2 ·
Tyranids eat man , elder , orks and Tau ( and anything else that's eatable )
Chaos dies ( nothing to sustain them )

Necrons sit and wait till the tyranids either starve ( or turn on themselves to sustain higher hive creatures ) or bugger off .

Necrons are now the rulers till the destroyers get bored and decide to anhialate the last living remanants ( ie , the other Necrons ) .

:) :)

simplistic I know , If you follow the fluff though the silent king came back from his self imposed exile once he realised the threat of the Tyranids .
If they ate all life then the Necrons would not be able to return to biological beings ( so he started to awaken tomb worlds ) . So in all liklyness theyd probably fight and ally against the Tyranids . That's not to say some dynasties would abstain as all don't want to return to what they once were .
I also like the idea that at some point the C,Tan regain there former self,s , either through
Necron memory engrams breaking down ( and not remembering whats captured in the teserct labrynths or why they did it ) OR they do manage apotheosis ( I think that's what they call becoming mortal again ) and as with mortals , time turns fact to myth and curiosity eventually kills the cat :)
 
#3 ·
Tyranids eat man , elder , orks and Tau ( and anything else that's eatable )
Chaos dies ( nothing to sustain them )

Necrons sit and wait till the tyranids either starve ( or turn on themselves to sustain higher hive creatures ) or bugger off .

Necrons are now the rulers till the destroyers get bored and decide to anhialate the last living remanants ( ie , the other Necrons ) .
:)
This is actually a really good analysis. The Tyranids in particular should be fundamentally unstoppable. The hive fleets are so large they are visible as interstellar structures. It's difficult to really grasp that scale. The hive fleets could eat every single occupied planet in the galaxy and probably 0.00000001% of them would even realize they encountered resistance. Of course, plot armor prevents this, but ....

The necrons of course don't give a crap about living on worlds that have been stripped of life (heck, their pylons do this) so inheriting Tyranid discards would be just fine for them. Although I'm sure they'd be retroactively pissed that there was so much life they missed having a chance to kill. But they're used to being safely buried for billions of years, so whatevs.
 
#8 ·
On a serious side Tyranids then Necrons nuke them.

Nids devoured flesh and all sorts and their size is beyond gargantuan. The imperium sure as hell don't have something to stop a single hive fleet short of bodies which aren't entirely infinite. And at best throwing men and arms is really out of desperation not tactics and method. Orks can't exist without planets to grow them so that's out.

You could are that Chaos as an entity would still be around but the 4 gods don't give the much of a damn right now.

Though really Tyranids won't consume Cron as far as I'm aware so then the Crons just need to exterminate the 'Nids once they have consumed all the biomass and starts to die of/unable to grow.

That's always been my understanding of the Universe at least.


Even if both Eldar did hide in the webway they would die out sooner or later.
 
#10 ·
The galaxy was nearly annihilated before and when the Necrons woke up the Chaos Gods were still here. They are immortal and eternal in the truest sense of those words. They exist beyond the bounds of time itself, they have always existed and always will, regardless of what the material realm is doing.
 
#25 ·
Here is my view on how GW would end it. Rhana Dandra will happen destroying the eldar and creating Ynnead who will defeat slaanesh. The eldar may or may not be reborn in the webway. This will deal a powerful blow to the forces of chaos who will still breach the cadian gate and reach Terra. Here I believe there are several options. The emperor could wake up and help in the fight against chaos. The remaining primarchs will show up on terra as well and do battle! The spezmehreens will defeat the forces of chaos and the emperor may or may not be defeated during the fight (if he even wakes up) lets face it GW would make the marines win and if we are not counting GW's opinion I believe realistically they would win even though they are not even in my top 5 for favorite armies I just believe they would pull it off (end of random marine rant). The orks being to numerous to kill would have their numbers controlled (Thrakka would probably be defeated by Yarrick). The tyranid fleets would be crippled and some random splinters would still exist to harass space ships and what not. I believe the tau wouldn't be whipped out. I think it would be cool if farsight revealed that the ethreals were using some kind of pheromone to control the tau and then led the tau in a revolution against them and maybe join the emperor (not even sure how I feel about that, but these are just my thoughts). The necron situation I believe to be the trickiest. Are they just going to be killed off eventually? Will the silent king fight an epic battle with the Imperium and then lose and realize his time in this galaxy is over and take the remaining necrons and leave the galaxy? Will they hit the snooze button and go back to sleep? I can't really answer the necron situation myself. Oh and the other chaos gods will drastically lose power because man will again have a stronger than ever faith in the Emperor. Anyway those are my thoughts on tying up all the loose ends.
 
#26 · (Edited)
Still not sure about the Necron threat that everyone talks about. I'm not big on the lore, but from what I've read the Necron are changing in nature at the moment.

They used to be the "Fuck it all, let's just cleanse this universe and reclaim it." but lately they're turning more and more into "We want to be made flesh again, how do we do that? We need it!".

If they continue down this path, I have the feeling that they will eventually be so desperate to become flesh that they will be their own demise. I believe that either they will achieve it and be devoured by the Tyranids, or they will spend every last Necron Warrior trying to and cause their own demise in the process because of desperation or carelessness.

Heck who knows - Maybe I'm reading too much into this. But with the above in mind, I still count both Chaos Daemons and Tyranids to be the two biggest forces to be reckoned with. I think it will be down to those two battling it out.
 
#27 ·
The Imperium I think. or if the Chaos Legions united under their Primarchs again. If it happened that all of the Primarchs defeated or not from the Chaos legions are reborn after several thousand years years (or however many years they vanish for, I don't have the energy to make that accurate) Most Space Marine chapters believe in a resurrection or continued existene of their Primarch. But the Chaos primarchs have only a few truly dead members. The rest are immortal Daemon Princes. If Magnus, Lorgar, Mortarion, Angron and Alpharius/Omegon. Joined with Pertuarbo and Fulgrim would devastate the Imperium. (Of course this is only one situation that is unlikely to happen at the same time)
 
#28 ·
Personally, I would write the Necrons off. Their utter reliance on the webway is too much of a handicap.
 
#34 ·
The way I see it is chaos defeats man.man being cause for the gods minus Spanish means chaos is practically out.tyranids consume all organic matter and move on.necrons being the last ones alive simply go back into slumber.
This theory has lots of errors in it but this was how I was tought it 4 years ago skive just kept by it for the most part
 
#38 ·
Keep in mind that the Tyranids aren't here to stay. To my understanding, they have come from another galaxy, once that they've already scoured of all life. Even if they do destroy the Milky Way, they will simply move on.

So whomever survives their passing will be inheritors of the Galaxy. That may well mean the Chaos Legions, the Necrons, maybe even a few crafty Eldar and certainly the Dark Eldar. Humanity, Orks, and Tau may not be so fortunate.