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#1 ·
according to the fluff ive been able to find, the emperor seems to be a jesus figure that is common to most religions. the wikipedia entry stated that he has walked among mankind for thousands of years; it is possible that he has been the messiah figure for EVERY religion (my own humble theory).
my theory aside, it would seem that the Golden Throne is actually a very, very bad idea for the imperium because it keeps the emperor trapped in a vegetative state, thus disallowing his soul from moving on to another vessel.
but like i said, this is all my conjecture; if anyone has any ideas please post em :victory:
 
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basically, the emperor's the shit....

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aside from that, your analysis of the emperor as a sort of compilation of the archetypal messianic figure common to the main world religions does seem apt. as far as confining the emperor to the golden throne, what i know of imperial theology makes no mention of the emperor's soul having the ability to occupy another body (in fact, there's no mention at all of reincarnation...). it seems to me that the pragmatic reason for not simply allowing the emperor to die (assuming he would without the throne) is simply the astronomican. assumedly, the astronomican would no longer function without the emperor. if this were to happen, the imperium would be brought to its knees, as warp transit over any distance would be mind-numbingly dangerous without the beacon.

well, that's my take on it, anyhoo...
 
#3 ·
The Emperor is the last of the Eldar humans (No, not the pointy-headed variety) that learned to reincarnate. When the Chaos Gods grew so powerful they blocked the Warp, they found it harder and harder to come back from the dead. So they commited ritual suicide and formed themselves into the Emperor, the last, best hope for Humanity.

So now that he's "dead", they're just going to have to come up with a new plan.
-Dirge
 
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#6 ·
Well that could be said for a lot of psykers. As you all probably know, pskyers' souls differ from non-psykers' in that they do not just disappear into the reaches of the Warp. Take Sanguinius for example. He was so potent a psyker that he could've easily become a demigod of the Warp after his death at the hands of Horus. That's just my 2 cents. ^_^
 
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#8 ·
Very true. Khorne is too busy killing stuff to worry about killing stuff with help. Slaanesh is too busy sexing it up with succubi. The other 2 are doing what they do. They're all just too busy. That and they all pretty much hate each others' guts.
 
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#11 ·
He is MAN and he shall walk among us again in a glorious golden Dreadnought body built by the Tech preists of the Torch Bearers!
We will reclaim the Imperium from the traitors that infest it in the light of war!
Illuminate the dark with fire!
 
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#12 ·
but if the emperor was to die do you realy think anyone will ever find out about it ???
of course not! otherwise they'd be mutiny and rebelion "oh noooo the emperor is dead we're all dooooomed dooooooooooomed i say!!" so if he was left to die which he might be it would be kept a secret just to keep moral up. of course you might think this theory is a load of rubish.
 
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Dread no,no,no
they are called emperor class titans for a reason. they are prototypes for him:biggrin:
 
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Captain Galus in the first post of this thread you stated that their is no fluff that states that reincarnation is a possibility for the Emperor. I dissagree, as there are stories about the Thorean faction of the Inquisition who work towards that very goal. They are named after Sabastian Thor who some say may have been a mortal vesal for some of the Emporer's power. Thier goal is to kill the Emporer only for him to be born again. It talks about them in many sources including the Inquisitor rulebook. Peace.
 
#16 ·
As CCCP mentioned, there emperor is in fact the by product of all the Shaman's of Earth in ancient times, combining their powers into one individual. At the time, they were losing the ability to reincarnate because Chaos was devouring the souls in the warp, so they had to create an individual who would be immortal, the result was the emperor. According to the knowledge avaliable, the emperor is human in the most basic sense, but physically/mentally/psychically greater than any other human.


I have also read that he was born around 8000 BC somewhere in the middle east, but I don't remember where I saw this.
 
#20 ·
Some people think that the world Warhammer Fantasy takes place on is a real planet in the 40K universe, its just cut off from the rest of the galaxy by warp storms. However, I've never read any canon that genuinly backs up this claim; and as far as I know, there isn't a "god like" messiah figure in WH Fantasy (although admittedly I don't have much expierence in the WH Fantasy fluff).

And as far as the emperor's death going unnoticed, wouldn't his passing disrupt the Astropath and make warp travel for the Imperium impossible?
 
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#21 ·
War_Ape said:
And as far as the emperor's death going unnoticed, wouldn't his passing disrupt the Astropath and make warp travel for the Imperium impossible?
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Another reason we need the Emperor hooked up to the Golden Throne is the fact that he is holding off all the demons in the human-built section of the webway. Otherwise, all the demons that hate mankind would have a real good starting place for a rampage.
 
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#30 · (Edited)
He is the Emperor!!!!!!! What more does man need? why do you question? you have been given a savior, a being wonderfully and fearfully made and you quarrel against the very idea that He Is that He Is! when will humanity learn to accept, to have faith! *shakes head*

"All right, sermons over, kill them all and bring in the next batch!"

EDIT sorry if this post was confusing. dirge eterna sent me a warning message about it. it was just a joke although i guess he didnt get it. Hespithe said i should add smilies so you know it is so here they are!

:) :) :) :) :)
 
#34 ·
How did you find out the truth Death shroud, I was under the belief only myself, the High Lords of Terra and a few other members of the Conclave were aware of the Emperor's true identity as a kebab vendor. Clearly you knew far more then you should. You imperil the emperors position with your inflammatory statements, let it be known I shall call for the charge of Estremis Diabolus against your and any who would spread such malicious lies.
 
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#32 ·
For me the Emperor planned all of the troubles humanity has been facing. I mean He is supposed to be all knowing and all seeing, so how did he not see Horus betraying him. Heres the reason each of the Primarchs represent a facet of his personality (ie. Horus the hunger for power, Rogal Dorn being devoted to his word, Mortarion just being plain stubborn, Angron the bloodthirsty slayer, Magnus the thirst for knowledge, etc. etc, etc.) and He simply wants to see which aspect of himself is the most dominant and when that aspect reigns supreme, he will manifest Himself in that body and cast the soul that was there into the Golden Throne to fuel the Astronomicon so that he can roam the Galaxy again.
 
#33 ·
It is said with the gift of foresight the emperor had to have seen Horus's betrayal, but could not accept it. For the first time in thousands of years, the Emperor had other super humans beings (The Primarchs) who were similar to him. He was able to forge a bond with them, and then to think that they would betray him was to much for him, much less his closest son. As a result you can see how the Emperor lashed out at his other sons even, and it tooks the massacre of the loyalists before he saw the truth.
 
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#37 ·
Going back to the question about the Fantasy world being a planet in the 40K universe, there is ALOT of evidence around that supports it, such as the old ones terraforming the planet, creating the polar gates and the races.
In the Necron 'dex, it also suggests adapting Lizzies to fight the Necrons as the "Servents of the Old Ones".
The Liber Chaotica books really lend to this theory too, as the author writes about seeing things from the 40k universe in his visions.

However, GW has firmly stated there is absolutely no connection between the 2 games, nothing, not ever, never was, never will be, leave it, it ain't happening.
But people will still always see a connection, and I am one of them, screw what GW says. If they want to put all this evidence out there and then say "Oh, just ignore that", then it's their problem.

Oh, and just for the record Khorne is not Khaine, nor one of his 1000 aspects, or anything like him at all ... according to GW of course. :p
 
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Pariah Mk.231 said:
Oh, and just for the record Khorne is not Khaine, nor one of his 1000 aspects, or anything like him at all ... according to GW of course. :p
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Oh yes i am completely convince by GW's assurances that Khaine is not just another aspect of khorne (who is known to have 1000's) despite the gods having extremely similar lusts for blood, similar names, that both their servants are a bunch of fanatic blood letting phsycos etc :crazy:

Even if this was the case you would be worshipping khorne in worshiping Khaine since every murder, act of petty violence etc done in the name of the God of Murder ultimately strengthens the Blood God.

Pariah Mk.231 said:
.In the Necron 'dex, it also suggests adapting Lizzies to fight the Necrons as the "Servents of the Old Ones".
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Space Lizards would be really neat. I have to agree there is strong evidence that the warhammer Old Ones, all powerful intersteller travels who used to rule the Lizardman millenia prior to warhammer, are one in the same to those who fought the Ctan and the Necrons
 
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