On a side note, the kid of a Space Marine and a Sister would be incredibly hardcore.

But on the serious side of things, I doubt they're unable, but likely either forbidden (as, much like the Eldar rarely indulging in sex, it could end up serving Slaneesh) or just don't have much opportunity. I mean, they generally live in monasteries full of nothing but other dudes, except for the times when they're wandering the universe slaughtering things in the name of the Emperor. So they probably don't have much time to, you know. Bow-chicka-chicka-wow-wow.

 

I assumed that their junk was as inert as this inanimate carbon rod here.
I mean if they weren't, wouldn't it be a lot easier to "fill a cup" to collect the geneseed?

 

You know, there was a comic made by Tyrantwache on deviantart that told a joke, that all Marines are Gay, cuz they don't have any chicks around almost whole their life.

For me, I think it would look hilarious if it's true that most marines don't take off their armor cus they can't (It's literally their second skin.

Yeah, what would you call a mixed breed like that kid? A Space Priest? A Space Monk? oh wait, Marines are supposed to be monks... I know! Sisters of Marines!

Anyways, then what about a guy who had kids before he joined the ranks? I mean, in my country it's on a daily basis that 14-year-olds are already fathers/mothers... What then? They take the kid as theirs and train him to be a Marine from the start??

 

With all of the psych-doctrination they are given, I imagine that all sexual thoughts and drives are 'overwritten' and utterly repressed. Also, with all of the chemical treatments that they need to ensure that their body's operate to the fullest potential, it probably doesn't do good things to any sperm that may be produced.
With the psych-doctrination, this is probably one of the reasons that when a loyal Marines falls, he does so completely, and hard. All of his repressed feelings and emotions break through and overwhelm him, bringing with them a drive to experience things that, before, had been forbidden. And the Marine's size and power over others becomes more apparent as he can force just about anyone to do what he wants. I feel that it is the intertwining of these drives with the feeling of power the fallen Marine gains from fulfilling them, that makes such a fall irreversible (mostly).
Finally, a lot rests on just how the geneseed interacts with the Marine's normal DNA. If the geneseed is a part of the DNA, then it will make any Astartes, strictly speaking, a different species to humanity (something which has been alluded to in a number of books, which describe the Astartes as 'post-human') and so unable to reproduce sexually with a human female. There is also the possibility that the Sororitas also use drug treatments to enhance themselves physically, such as steroids, and maybe even use their own psych-doctrination to repress the emotions and drives that could be considered useless for such warriors.
My $6.87.

GFP

 

Yeah, the funny thing about the non-militant Sorotitas... Once a month... They become EVIL! And nobody is able to defeat them!

But for the real deal, still, even if they're infertile with normal humans, they retain the sexual functions... In worst case, they are castrates... Still, i't not so good for a marine to differ so much in their emotions from normal "mortals" as they would be too strange to them to protect the weaker ones. They must understand the feelings and remember them from their early life. I mean, they become scouts and initiates when they're about 16-17... it's bout time for starting the sexual activities ( maybe not sex but lust itself, of course).

Still, the idea of a "Son of a Marine" is really appealing to me...

Anybody else who would support my beliefs that they ARE fertile?

 

Ok to end this entire debate now. The question is what girl would be able to take a Space Marine hello a 9' tall superhuman probably isn't small.

 

They're actually only 7'6", and in fairness most documented muscle-growth hormones actually have the opposite effect on "size". So actuallu... you're wrong.

But before we get into arguments over the size of an imaginary spaceman (it's 28mm by the way, unless you're playing Epic), again, I suspect the problem is less physical and more mental - quite honestly, for discipline, these guys are probably seriously indoctrinated against romantic involvement. They have to be able to put the Chapter and the Emperor first, and they're not going to be able to do that if they're running around thinking with the lower head. I'm sure it's entirely possible for a Space Marine to have a child - it's just horribly unlikely unless they somehow had a very long time for R&R in a very heavily populated area.

 

I've wondered the same thing, but have found the topic rather hard to speak of without sounding like a horny woman with a fetish for genetically enhanced supermen in power armour.

I have been told that there used to be fluff where the Space Wolf Lords had harems within the Fang (I haven't been able to find this... maybe a fluff expert can clear that up?) and Ragnar was able to become attracted to the female =][= psyker in his storyline.

I highly doubt that an Astartes would be able to 'produce' a child with all of the chemicals that they are under, but the actual act is where I would have to say 'maybe'. The biggest issue is that Marines are just not in situations where they are around women who would bring out those emotions. As well as the training that a SM goes through would most likely make it hard on a Marine to feel that way. The emotions may shift into feelings of a protective nature instead of attraction.

As to if a woman could take a 9' tall man, the answer is: Some could, some could not. It depends on the woman.

 

Also, a thought: According to the Codex, the Space Marines have free time from 23:45 to 00:00, at which point they must be asleep. This is also subject to the orders of the Chapter Master. And fortress-monasteries are in the deepest, most inhospitable parts of most planets.

You're telling me a Marine, in 15 minutes he may or may not have, is going to run the entire route to the nearest human settlement (which is likely very far away) for a little action? That's a very devoted man right there, especially given he's got 15 minutes to get there, do the dew, and then get back in time for lights out.

 

wow this is only about the 10th time I've seen a new thread raised on this subject in the 12 months I've been a member here.

Don't assume that the physiology of a space marine works the same way as ours. 2 hearts, 3 lungs and probably a good old fashioned chemical gelding. For all we know their testosterone goes into maintaining their superhuman muscle mass and keeping their extra organs running.

Also, the testes could be removed or testosterone receptors chemically turned off during down time so the body testosterone could be strictly regulated or turned to zero in non-combat situations. Test could then be administered as combat drugs/whatever as part of their daily routines.

Psycho-indoctrination would be designed to redirect or suppress such urges, otherwise battle barges would become gigantic brokeback mountains. Frankly I'm relieved that the creators didn't spend time speculating on this..

 

well time for my opinion!

They probably DO have the necessary weapon, but not the ammunition to procreate. This will be a desired side effect from the process of making a marine that the Emperor in all his wisdom put in place to keep:

A) Their testosterone(?) levels high, so they maintain high agression and muscle mass.

B) Prevent foul Xenos from kidnapping and "Raping" marines to create their own marines. If they need to first disect the marine (not easy to do from the sounds of it), then develop the technologies as aposed to simply "Giving him a happy" then the chances of a Xenos being able to effectively fight back is greatly diminished.

 

B) Prevent foul Xenos from kidnapping and "Raping" marines to create their own marines. If they need to first disect the marine (not easy to do from the sounds of it), then develop the technologies as aposed to simply "Giving him a happy" then the chances of a Xenos being able to effectively fight back is greatly diminished.

This makes alot of sense because the Eldar are said to have close to the same anatomy as humans (or Space Marines) it is speculated that Humans and Eldar could actually produce viable offspring.

I have been told that there used to be fluff where the Space Wolf Lords had harems within the Fang (I haven't been able to find this... maybe a fluff expert can clear that up?) and Ragnar was able to become attracted to the female =][= psyker in his storyline.

Hmm i find this highly doubtful, because it would have to exist in the time frame of the second Space Wolf book, (Ragnar's Claw) in which the psyker (Karah Isaan) actually dies, unless there is another psyker chick introduced later but i heard the space wolf books after Grey Hunter were crap.

 

About marines being...big.....
They are pumped full of steroids so bits of them will be as shriveled - just like with 'roiding body builders....

 

Lets clear up a few myths about steroids.

Your bits do not start shrinking the minute you start taking them. They start shrinking when you stop taking them, because your body has stopped producing testosterone while you were taking them. There is a drug you can take to kick start your bodies own production of it to stop this happening.

Marines are on massive amounts of steroids all the time, so unless their bits have just shrunk from lack of use, they should be relatively normal sized. (Whatever that is for superhumans.)

Right, I've dwelt on the topic of the sex lives of little plastic soldiers a little too much, and will now bow out altogether. Maybe everyone else should too...

 

I thought I read somewhere that Marines just have their "family jewels" :wink: removed to make avoid stuff like this.

 

i wonder, In the "Horus Rising" there is a mention, that one of the Marines Captain describes a remembrancer female as attractive and beautiful, but is disgusted by her job... but he have shown some interest in her after all...

One of my Collegues tells me, that Salamanders have a habit of having whole families! Didn't read their codex, but for now i would like to belive that

 

One of my Collegues tells me, that Salamanders have a habit of having whole families! Didn't read their codex, but for now i would like to belive that

I know, I said I was off, but this is interesting...

I think I read something similar, but rather than having their own children, it had more to do with maintaining links with their extended family from before they became Salamanders. I think they also live among the populace of Nocturne when not deployed. I could be wrong, someone please correct me if so.

 

The collegue said it's so, that they retain families only on their planet, but also it's more like that , that some chapters/legions forbid having children by Space Marines, but yet, some don't... He even said that Space Wolves also had some issues with families.

If it's just maintaining the links, then Cato Sicarius has them as well as he is the highest ranking member of his House in the Ultramar Systems.

 

Yeah, but still Sanguinus was mutated by the warp, neh? And space Wolves and some other guys also suffer from mutation, and yet, they are loyalist ^^

 

The answer is really quite simple, if they could they would.
Having to gather Gene Seed from every fallen marine has got to be a pain in the arse!
If SM could pass on their gene seed just by bumping uglies they would, because it would be a damn sight easier than having to collect it and then surgically implant it.
On the other hand, all the chemical and psycho indoctrination could also give them massive sex drives, it's not something that GW are going to go into detail about though because their game is aimed at kids and teenagers. Mommy isn't going to be too pleased to hear that the latest HH book has a whole chapter dedicated to marines humping the crap out of everything in sight!
So, no they can't pass on their gene seed but they MIGHT be able to go through the motions, just don't expect to see it in a book any time soon!

 

Damn not this again! The answer is simple marines can have sexs their just infertile meaning theirs lots of juice in the pistol their just all duds that's all!
(The one exeption may be emperors children, but only because Bile keeps screwing with their DNA)