Imperium = medieval Christianity. In other word counter productive thinking like hating thos that are saving humanity isn't a problem for the incompetent leaders of the imperium

 

ya the Imperium's psyker philosophy is "sure they do all these wonderful things for us, and they are in fact a great asset but there is a chance that a few out of the millions may be corrupted. So they are obviously a great threat to our safety."

 

A single uncontrolled psyker has the potential of becoming a gateway for daemonic invasions that consume whole planets. One of the things I love about 40k is that as evil as the Imperium is, generally the alternative is even worse. Yay for GrimDark!

 

The Emps is only negative toward other psykers and had instigated the imperium to be very critical of them over the fears already present from the Dark Ages of Tech because He could control his powers and was pretty much shielded from the perils of the warp while the other less retrained psykers were. I mean Malcador the Sigilite among other infamous psykers were trusted due to the fact that he/they/others were able to withstand the devastating effects of the warp and maintain their sanity. This ability to do so with the warp without being soulbound to the emperor is dangerous and counterproductive to the IMperium as chaos gets its hands on the psyker and use him as a vessel.

The Imperium is not hypocratic in any way (in this case anyway), it is only trying to preserve itself by the edicts laid down by the emperor about the psykers because he knows more about the warp than most others considering that he is close to a Chaos God Incarnate among mortals.

 

Exitus_10 you give the imperium to much credit we all know the reason for most imperial laws is to keep the teeming masses in their ignorant little shacks so they don't shake things up. It just so happens that in the insanely dangerous future the imperium is humanity best shot at the moment of surviving

 

Do I now? How is telling the fact giving credit? Isn't it true that the Emperor is immune to the perils of the warp and his closest associates seem to follow the same pattern of being immune to the negative effects of the warp? And they are the ones who made the rules of shunning the psyker?

 

while there are great risks involved, the imperium is taking the whole "psyker=evil" thing way to far. humanity cannot survive without them, because without them their is no space travel. I also think it is because they are a minority group and easy to blame for things the Imperium dosen't understand, like they did in medieval times with witches.

 

Right on the nose Lupercal101 that does seem to be the theme in the emperium them being generally intolerant. Hell on most worlds in accordance with imperial law babies with genetic defects (mutations) are killed after birth. Anyone who has read the fluff knows the emperium is generally a shitty place riddled with hypocrisy. Referring back to the mutant thing some are killed while others rule the bloddy emperium Astropath guild, Sm ect. And no one give me that they need to protect against the taint of chaos crap. If half the fiction is right librarians and high lord of terra lackeys pose a greater risk of encoring a choas incursion then any of the incredible rare tainted alpha level phykers out their. I mean have you read any of the fluff half of what the emperium does these days is needless ritual, and pissing contest bullshit. Oh and the emperor doesn't control the emperium anymore that has been well established he is now more of a figure head for the high lords of terra, after all he is these days a glorified lamp post glowing bright enough to keep the evil interdimensional baddies away. In other word the emperor was always just a warlord nothing more, he just happened to be powerful enough to explode planets with his godlike psychic/magic powers. Hell he said that he didn't even want to be worshiped.

 

It's unclear how the Imperium is supposed to achieve humanity's psychic future (a claimed goal of the Emperor) if the Imperium is persecuting and murdering every psyker it finds.

 

Well the Imperium went off the rails when the Emperor got corpsified and religious wing nuts took power so I doubt there's ever going to be any real progress towards positive goals till he either wakes up and the remaing primarchs and chaos gods go all Ragnorak or the Tau figure out a non-warp method of long distance travel.

Still keeping psykers clamped down only makes sense when the have the potential to take out a whole world through demonic possesion if they're untrained or dominate the minds of hundreds or even thousands of planets in their sector if they are trained. GW makes a point to mention that back in the Dark Age of Technology those who were open and embraced psykers as normal and equal human beings all got torn apart by demons very quickly. The only ones who survived were the reactionaries that brought psykers to the village square and stoned them.

 

it's gonna either end one day or the galaxy is gonna end. It is really just like medieval times, but the difference is that back on the old days of planet earth, humans had no-where near the possiblite of desroying anything for good. There wasn't enough humans on the planet for them to do any real damage to the planet, and even if there was they didn't even know 3/4 of the earths surface. Now it's just the same, except with trillions and trillions of people, the entire galaxy has been unveiled (they know where everything is) and they have the capabilites to desroy entire systems. Humans have gone back to the Techno-barbarism of Pro-Unifcation, but with much wider prospects. hopefully history will repeat itself and the Imperium will get through the medieval times and advance onto better times, but for now it's death to any psyker with any powers beyond the normal, which is pretty much the limit of just saying "i'm a psyker". personally i think Tau is the only hope for a decent galaxy.

 

Don't hold your breath waiting, though.

The Emperor didn't want to be worshipped as a god, either.

The Ministorum and Ecclesiarchy had different ideas. "Religion is no place for a broad mind" and all that (it's a comment I heard years ago about the rigid strictures of organised religion and adoption of change).

 

Mhmm, it's true. The emperor used to have people executed if they worshipped him as a god, imagine if he wakes up today! Dude, he'd be pissed.
But the Imperium is far from perfect to be honest.

Or to put it worse, they're all Pathetic little Xenophobic hippocrites. But Some would claim it's to save the imperium from the greater evil in the universe.

I know if I was a rogue psyker, I'd rather have my brains blown out by the inquisition and rest in peace than have my soul become the plaything of daemons.

 

I know if I was a rogue psyker, I'd rather have my brains blown out by the inquisition and rest in peace than have my soul become the plaything of daemons.

If I recall correctly, death liberates your spirit to the Immaterium, where you will become a daemonic snack whether you want to or not.

 

untrained/uncontrolled psykers are just bombs waiting to blow up entire systems in demonic incursions. And with the untolled billions of the empirium, and the slow dawning of psychic power in humans, more and more psykers are born every day. Increasing the risk they bring.
If harsh measures are not taken against the danger, then the whole galaxy would burn because of it. It sounds nasty, it sounds bitter, it's grim.. but it's the future of the 40th millenium, where there is only war.

 

I don't know about that just look at the eldar they seem to have come to peace with the advent of psykers in their race mind you that happened so long ago that their entire race has been psyker for as long as even the oldest living/nonliving eldar can remember. Mind you chaos wasn't a huge threat before the whole eye of terror thing. I wounder if the emperium hadn't gone to crap if humanity could have come to terms with their evolution into a psychic race. Funny though humans become like eldar. I wounder if psychic genes are dominant or recessive.

 

The Eldar have been a psychic race from the beginning. There is also quite a large difference between an Eldar psyker and a human pysker. The Imperium, however corrupt it may be, isn't completely devoid of intelligent individuals. It is right to be harsh with pyskers. The Imperium is too large to nitpick when it comes to keeping psykers in line, considering missing a single person out of trillions could end with a destroyed world, or even sector.

 

Technically, the Emperor didnt ban psykers, he banded sorcery (see another topic about the difference, actually got pretty into it). He allowed psykers because he knew that they are needed.

 

I blame the Eldar, for creating Slaanesh and in turn creating the Eye of Terror. Imagine how sweet life would be in the Imperium without the constant threat of Chaos from the Eye. And think about it, if the Eye had never opened, the warp storms that isolated humanity might have never spilled out and cut off travel. The humans wouldn't have reverted to barbarians. Humanity would have continued to develop, and psykers would be allowed to flourish. Damn the Eldar!

 

Actually it was the Imperials that are Primarily responsible for Khorn, Nurgle, and Tzeentch. Eldar Gave birth to Slannesh. Ooooh ahhhh Eldar are bad. Also the Warp Storms is what degenerated the Human Civilaztin befor the Emperor. When Slannesh was born the Warp Storms were blown out. Thus allowing the Emperor to thrust humans into the golden era. On behalf of the Eldar, you're welcome :so_happy:. Then when he died the High Lords degenerated the civalaztion again to crap. Blame them as Humanity is weak, stupid, and only, ONLY, becuase of the Space Marines they survive. Only becuase of the SMs. :victory:

 

BloodAngelsfan has a point. I say we none eldar players gang up, and go ruff up some Eldar players to show our combined hated for how they screwed the universe up. I mean their like a older brother that broke the family car crippled your parents then ran away leaving others to deal with their mistakes.

 

why can't we all just get along.....?

 

An interesting discussion...

Some points which have not been raised hower...


1. The Imperium as we are well aware is now so large so diverse and with so many different cultures comprising its mass, it has only one unifcating feature. The "Imperial Cult". What does a Space Marine of the Ultramarines have in common with a Atillian Rough Rider?

Common Language? Perhaps? Low and High Gothic appear to be the norm but on any world let alone a galaxy spanning Imperium different dialects and slang and cultural inflections would take hold. I doubt they would be able to communicate effectively without some problems. Look at our own planet... Germanic is the base for English, and its similiar in structure but that doesn't mean I could be walking in down town Berlin and understand everything. Across a galaxy the differences would be even more astute.

Common Cultre? No. The Ultramarine comes from a different world, a different value culture, to serve the Imperium and Primarch primarily, based loosely from a Romanesque style culture. The Atillian on the other hand is a nomadic tribesman, the idea of cities and a culture based off agriculture is foreign to him. Do they both value the city and what it stands for? Civilization? Merchantile expanse? The Ultramarine would... for the Rough Rider, probably not.

Common Religion? No. Its quite clear that the Imperial Cult is strongest in the standard human worlds which produce, protect, procreate all for the continuing needs of the Adminstratum, under the guise of the Emperor as a God. The Space Marine doesn't see the Emperor as a God, but as his progenitor of the primarch from which he is first loyal above all else. The Ultramarine worships the Emperor as a man, a fellow battle brother, the greatest among them who sacraficed himself for their future, he created the Marine who owes him his allegience. The Rough rider worships the Emperor due to the Imperial Cult... which states clearly the Emperor is a god and protects humanity from the evils of the universe and sacraficed himself so that humanity would survive. Although similiar they are fundamentally different in how they view the Emperor as a god or as a leader. If you ask the Rough Rider who he worships it is the Emperor... if you as the Ultramarine he venerates and respects the Emperor and his Primarch... for similiar but different reasons.


So how does a glaxy spanning Imperium hold these things together? Simply put they make the messages as simple as possible to communicate effectively. Its easier to destroy all psykers than to give certain strictures on their merits of if they can control themselves... A feral backworld on the edge of a sector with only a small Imperial presence would be lax if it allowed psykers to be confined and wait for a black ship that may take 1000 years to visit again, by then the world may be demon englufed. Their only viable option is sorry blow your head off. Mutation runs the same risk, especially if its allowed to run its course over centuries. Safer to destroy.

As an organization therefore to communicate across all these barriers of different cultures, the Imperium has little choice but to have one black and white rule... kill the psyker. Of course, then we have the exceptions, like the Primaris psyker, the pyskers of the guard, librarians and the Inquisition. But are they sitting there saying yes all pyskers are good? No. They realise the risk themselves, they are in fact almost the lucky ones of there deformity or evolution as they are allowed to exsist as they fill a needed role. But does a librarian even become Chapter Master? No. Does a Primaris Psyker ever lead a guard army to war and become a Lord Solar? No. Do Inquisitors? Yes, but only within certain guidelines... if they are fighting what? heresy which is usually demonic based in some form or against some chaos threat. The general rule of thumb is that the psyker must be killed as it endangers the rest of humanity to the perils of the warp and chaos.

As for the Imperial Cult itself... no doubt if the Emperor had been awake and able to direct the Imperium things would have taken a different course. But the simple ideas of black and white, good and bad, right and wrong... are what hold the Imperium together in his abscence of true leadership. Even if a primarch awoke or was re discovered, would he become the new Emperor or be able to command the Imperium in the Emperors name? Only Guilliman probably could and even then.... would the Space Wolves agree? would the Blood Angels agree? would the Black Templars suddenly reduce their numbers to conform to Codex Astrates rules? Would the high lords give up their power? Unlikely.

The simplest messages and black and white propaganda especially where psykers are concerned and the Imperial Cult itself are what bind the Imperium together. I don't think its hypocrisy.... I think its a matter or survival and giving motivation to the millions of different civilizations which make up the Imperium. Keeping one simple rule to bind them all together... Emperor protects against the "different" (psykers, chaos, tau, eldar, orks) and your role from humble peasant farmer to Imperial Governor is to stand with him and fight or rule or command or work. If you find the "different" destroy it before it destroys you. All of the Imperial Cults teaching reinforce this point... the Space Marine does it as its his duty but not because his god commands it.


Medieval Christianity supporting the Crusades (lets call it the Imperial Adminstratum and Cult) had the same thing going for it... Kill the different (Non Christian) as its coming to kill you... but you can work with the Byznatine Orthodox (Space Marines) as they are kind of the same... but don't allow yourself to fall victim to the different..