A poll would have been logical.

 

Kharn would win, he has the experience and if Khorne allows it he's basically immortal

 

Kharn would kill Shrike and everything around him that moves.

 

i think Shrike would sneak up on him and kill him before he knew he was there. it's what he does best you know.

 

In a straight up, close combat fight there is very little that can threaten Kharn IMHO. Now if Shrike decided to be he's usual sneaky self, then I think he stands a pretty good shot, but in the scenario you described Kharn wins 9 times out of 10.

 

Kharn FTW:biggrin:

 

Ah, another one of these vs threads. I'd been wondering why there weren't any of these lately...

But as much as I want to route for the badass that is Shrike, it seems that the situation that you described above would see Khârn emerge on top.

 

Depends on the situation. If shrike gets the advantage of surprise plus a jump pack, then no contest. Otherwise Kharn seeing as he's virtually immortal.

 

Okay, I added a poll. By the looks of things it is already determined that Kharn would win.

 

Not to change the topic of this thread, but since Khran seems to have won this one, I'll ask. Does anyone think there are any Independent Characters that could beat Kharn in CC? By this I mean as presented above, straight up fight, with no outside intervention. The two characters would meet face to face in the middle of a battlefield. Please no dead people or Primarchs. As in "Well Corax could take him" or "If Abe Lincoln had an ax on hand..." etc, etc. (Note: This is a fluff based question, not "In a game of 40k......")

 

Aside from a primarch, lucius or abaddon, no Astartes could challenge him. Maybe Dante or Grimnar might give him a run for his money, but the blessing of the Blood God is a big boost.

 

Pretty sure the Sanguinor could also take Kharn along with the current Papa-Smurf and Draigo. Kharn vs Shrike in my opinion would likely to be Kharn, as in terms of fluff he is older and more experienced and in game terms Kharn is stronger on the charge (5-6 Strength 5 power weapon attacks at init 6, hitting on 2's wounding on 3's though Shrike does have a 4+ invuln compared to Kharn's 5+).

 

Fluffwise Papasmurf would get arseraped as he's no combat champion. Sure he's got his fatass armour and fists, but Kharn is the champion of the God of martial combat, and has been since the Heresy. Ergo, aside from Ward having a major fanboy attack, I don't think that ol' smurfy stands a chance. Tabletop is another matter entirely.

And I'm not even going to start on Draigo...

 

the short story... i believe it was called "the weakness of others", showed kharn, he was the main protagonist, he stated the only person he regretted killing was Sigismund, so he would probably win.

 

Sigismund? as in The Emperor's Champion, Chapter Master of the Black Templars Sigismund? I thought his death was a huge question mark, in what book was this short story in?

 

Kharn would beat Shrike and then turn his skin into a winter coat. Kharn is just the better face to face fighter.

I recon the only astartes that would stand a chance against kharn (bar abbadon and lucius) would be Lysander, Grimnar, Dragio and Ragnar Blackmane.

Now reasons:

Lysander has got experience (he is a first company captain after all) and an unbelieveable drive to kill chaos

Grimnar: hes a chapter master and a spacewolf a pretty deadly combination

Dragio: He bitch slaps a primarch! and a daemon prince at that

Ragnar: I dont have much of a reason here just think it would be a close fight is all

 

I might agree with you on Lysander were it not for his slow weapon choice. He wouldn't be fast enough to take Kharn.

Draigo, ugh. I hate him. I play Knights and I hate him. If Kharn and Draigo ever met incombat, Khorne would over power Kharn by so much that Draigo would piss his pants. I'd have to imagine that Khorne would spectate that fight and not allow Kharn to lose. Khorne not involved, Kharn would probably lose.


How about Marneus Calgar? He has the combat experience and strategy. But perhaps he simply lacks the combative abilities. I'm not too fond of his fluff.

 

Draigo wouldn't win simply because he's really not that badass. The Gods have cursed him by allowing him to survive in the Warp, merely because it amuses them to see his efforts repeatedly undone. They could crush him in an instant. Therefore, the same would apply to him fighting Kharn, as Khorne simply would just favour his champion.

 

Fight Kharn? Oh, Vect could take him down, I think, purely on basis of speed and mastery of combat.

I don't think that Draigo could actually take him on - Kharn's a pure killing machine, and since Draigo's a psyker Kharn would fight all the harder (Khorne's backing him up quite significantly here). This is in the materium, btw - in the Warp I'm not sure if anything could take Draigo on, purely because nothing in the Warp can oppose the Chaos Gods.

I don't know what kind of effects having a God's favour withdrawn has on you, but Abaddon vs. Kharn would likely go badly for Abaddon. I mean, Skarbrand pissed off Khorne and got his wings mangled and was set ablaze, landing hard enough to create a valley. I'm sure Khorne can think of something suitably nasty for Abaddon.

Doombreed could take Kharn, but whoever lost would be resurrected by Khorne anyway, so it's a moot point.

Since Kharn's a mean lean killing machine with skills, I think that Lucius could take him as he's supposed to be one of the best one-on-one fighters in existence - Lucius is described as better than Kharn in his entry in the Codex - '...so skilled is Kharn with Gorechild...' compared to 'Lucius is immensely skilled with his chosen weapons, an ornate sabre and a writhing chaos whip'. If Lucius dies, another, larger scale fight happens as Slaanesh 'sticks his talon down [Khorne's] throat, or some other orifice' to reclaim Lucius' soul.

Midnight

 

And there we have the whole Khorne vs Slaanesh fight/rivalry/whatever.

 

For Dragio couldnt the same be said for Nurgle to just make Mortarion and just give him the power to make him win? I know khorne is god of war and everything but still a gods a god. But i see the point of the curses but the fact hes defeated a shed load of daemons should show hes an able fighter? (I dont mean to sound a fanboy im just looking at the fluff i have no ties to grey knights at all)

As for Lysander he may be slow but if he makes contact he is going to make Kharn hurt. Plus he has a sheild which can make him even more durable than he already is.

Marneus Calgar chould but i feel hes more of a strategist than a worrior however able a worrior he may be. I reckon he might pull an arm off Kharn which really pisses him off and then decapitates Calgar and uses his skull as a cup for a nice beer to congradulate himself... lol

 

Now, I know this is probably a stupid idea, and I am so out of date with fluff that I couldn't possibly stake any points on this. But, could Ahriman take him?

I mean yes this dude is angry against psykers, but he hates everyone, and yeah kharn was raised from the dead by Khorne or something, but Ahriman was saved from Magnus by Tzeentch, so he obviously has plans for him, and unless those plans were already realised, would Tzeentch let him lose? Now no matter how much battle experience buys you, knowledge of the dark arts directly affects your psychic prowess. Like I said I have no kind of real sourcing to back up the effectiveness of Ahriman and maybe I am not giving Kharn nearly enough credit.

But the only source I have to go on is "A Thousand Sons" where a bunch of sorcerors used powers that totally butchering Space Wolves, untill you know, the backfire element and the "Russ" factor. But I am pretty certain that Ahriman will have neither of these problems when facing Kharn.

Yes maybe being Khorne's chosen one might give a certain, dampening effect on psychic powers, but 10,000 years (Yes I know not literally or acuratly given the "warp" effect on time) of gathering knowledge and increasing your power must have some kind of, bonuses. And I am sure the foresight would come in a little handy in hand to hand combat, given the amount of warp energy centered around these two individuals that should also (hopefully) give Ahriman the edge.

(Thousand Son Fanboy powers activated)

 

Someone said that the original Emperor's Champion was killed by Kharn? I'm a fan of both so I'd like to know how this happened. All I've ever read about Sigismund was that he was considered to be one of if not the best swordsman in the Astartes. The other thing is once Dorn gave him the go ahead, he kicked everyone's ass he faced at the seige of Terra. I always wondered what happened to him as his death story I haven't found.

As for the topic of the post, Shrike taking Kharn is highly improbable. Kharn is way to much for anyone but guys like Kaldor Draigo or Hector Rex.

 

Hahaha, I love how this has turned into Kharn Vs the world. I guess my friend and I have seriously underestimated who Kharn was.

How exactly would Kharn stack up against something bigger than he was? Say the Swarmlord? The Swarmlord is quite a combatant, he is afterall given a 4+ invul for his combative skill. This could just be a stupid match up but you guys are really selling Kharn as one of the ultimate badasses.

 

Didn't mean to take over the thread SoL... Sorry about that.

That being said, here's what I think:

Lysander is an amazing warrior, and against anyone else, I would say he would have a solid shot. But Kharn has literally killed people like him before, on Terra, Thousands of Years ago, and has since gained even more experiance an favor with Khrone. Because of that, I don't think he really has a shot. Badass yes, Kharn killer, no.

Ahriman is an interesting. I would have to think that really comes down to a battle of wills between Khrone and Tzeentch. Honestly, I don't think Tzeentch would allow this battle to happen since he seems to have plans for Ahriman. That being said, no matter how good of a psyker Ahriman may be, Kharn isn't effected by psykers generally speaking (except to become even angrier since they are an affront to his God). Additionally he is far and beyond a better CC fighter than Ahriman. I think that best case scenario for Ahriman here is he opens the webway and runs away.

Lucius is a good candidate I think. He is an amazing CC fighter, and even if he loses, he always comes back. My only question is that while he is supposed to be one of the best CC fighters around, why has he lost so many times? To my knowledge, Kharn has only truly lost a CC combat once. Lucius has lost hundreds of times to all sorts of warriors, hence his armor. While this does give him vast amounts of experience, at best it only puts him on par with Kharn experience wise I think. Still though, I have to give him a shot if for no other reason than he actually thinks about what he doing and has a higher skill level with his weapon as per the current codex.

Swarmlord is an MC, and it would be hard for Kharn to kill it alone. I have no idea whether or not he has fought something that big by himself before, so I’ll have to differ to everyone else here for that one.

Oh and Doombreed would definitely win. As the oldest Daemon Prince, I can’t imagine anything really having a shot at killing him in CC other than a C’tan (not this Shard BS the Necrons have now, but a real one)

I’m surprised no one brought up the Avatar of Khaine. I know that they have fallen to Primarchs before, but I’m not sure if a mortal* has killed one alone before in CC (*granted Kharn isn’t fully mortal, but still)

Who is Vect? I have never heard of him before.

 

Wait, Kharn killed Sigismund? Is this before of after Sigismund filleted the giant douche on a mountain dead traitor marines?