[Malus Darkblade]

I do (kind of) agree. Cyrene's death in The First Heretic was probably one of the most emotional (if you can call it that) scenes of the series. I genuinely got wound up in her death and Argel Tal's failure to protect her. She was a fantastic (possibly the best) character in one of the best books of the series. My first impression when reading Betrayer was that Erebus was pissing about and was attempting to trick/betray Argel Tal. But then she came back. I'm sure Aaron had a good reason, and she has some future part to play (man I hope it's nothing to do with the Inquisition). But personally, I felt it did remove a sense of that loss that I felt whilst reading The First Heretic.

In a similar way to how I thought/hoped Loken died on Isstvan III. Though I feel his return was simply the worst decision taken by the team since commissioning Battle for the Abyss. I don't feel that strongly about Cyrene.

When she came back to life, she was essentially lost again to Argel Tal for upon regaining her sight, she saw him as a monster.

So in essence the Cyrene Argal Tal knew, the motherly figure, was still gone.

 

[Anakwanar]

'So in essence the Cyrene Argal Tal knew, the motherly figure, was still gone' - very good point of you. Interesting - what the Perpetuals would do we her?

 

[Child-of-the-Emperor]

So in essence the Cyrene Argal Tal knew, the motherly figure, was still gone.

You could say the same about Loken. I know what you mean, but my point still stands.

 

[DeathJester921]

'So in essence the Cyrene Argal Tal knew, the motherly figure, was still gone' - very good point of you. Interesting - what the Perpetuals would do we her?

So says Betrayer, the very act of bringing her back turned her into a perpetual. That gives us an idea at the very least.

 

[Tywin Lannister]

Talking of bringing people back.

I can't believe they brought Eidolon back! We know we can't have Erebus or Lucius dead, but they could have given us that one!

 

[Angel of Blood]

Talking of bringing people back.

I can't believe they brought Eidolon back! We know we can't have Erebus or Lucius dead, but they could have given us that one!

Well actually, Eidolon is also alive in present 40k

 

[Tywin Lannister]

Well actually, Eidolon is also alive in present 40k

I thought that was only a rumour?

40k sucks though!

 

[Sequere_me_in_Tenebras]

I physically swore when that happened. I was so pissed off!

I punched my book in annoyance :suicide:

 

[bobss]

With the Betrayer discussion here, I thought I'd ask it here: Was Kharn present at the Dropsite Massacre? Or was he too wounded after being mangled at the Isstvan Atrocity? I haven't read either Fulgrim or The First Heretic in 2-3 years, but a few things in Betrayer make me wonder.

 

[Stephen74]

In a similar way to how I thought/hoped Loken died on Isstvan III. Though I feel his return was simply the worst decision taken by the team since commissioning Battle for the Abyss. I don't feel that strongly about Cyrene.

I was glad Loken was bought back. I think it fits perfectly for Garro and Loken to become what they become.

As for cyrene, im interested in seeing where this perpetuals thing goes.

 

[Sequere_me_in_Tenebras]

Perhaps all xeno/human souls get pulled into the warp, along with Argel's daemon... who says the entity is dead?

I realise that is reaching.

 

[Angel of Blood]

Perhaps all xeno/human souls get pulled into the warp, along with Argel's daemon... who says the entity is dead?

I realise that is reaching.

Well Erebus killed Argel Tal with one of the anathema shards, a 'shard of Erebus' even. Which have been shown to permanently kill daemons. So I'm going to say Raum is dead for good as well.