[Orochi]

Aren't we due a codex Xenos hunters (whatever they are called, the Death Watch fellas).

Instead of a 3rd 'expansion race' GW should just put all 3 into a large 3 part codex. I have never seen any point in making the DH a separate race from the WH.

PS, i heard there are plans for a necron codex, and we already know the DE are being worked on.

 

[admiraldick]

Well yes, it'd be nice to have them added in with the other codexes, but the odds on that are low - certainly the GK aren't in the fifth edition IG codex. So I'd rather they present all the inquisition forces in one book [...]

it looks like we're unlikely to make a concensus... i'd rather they didn't appear in any books than were put into a single one.

(and not just because it posits a Codex: Sisters of Battle and Codex: AdMech. Though that helps).

if there were 4 Imperial books (SM, IG, SoB and AdMech), there would be an aweful lot more variety in opponents than their are currently.

Personally, I would love a Codex: Inquisition. For the very simple reason that while there are different ordo's, they are still one 'body' within the empirium.

are they?

just how closely do they work together? because the background seems to suggest that Inquisitors are pretty much a law unto themselves with little or no connection to one another other than their powers granted to them by the Imperium. they don't even recruit centrally, acolytes are chosen by the Inquisitor themselves.

even the Ordos are pretty loose groups, more a school of thought than a denominational group.

Just like all the space marine chapters are also in one codex ( ok, except for a few silly boogers ).

that would mostly be down to the fact that GW have never represented SM organisations well with rules. there are large numbers of different SM groups, not just Legions and Chapters. the DW and GK are prime examples of this. they don't opperate according to the Codex Astartes, not because they are rebellious and reject it, but because they have nothing to do with it. then there are 'chapters' who don't follow the Codex, whether its because they don't feel like following the whole thing (IH, BA, DA), because they don't feel like following any of it (SW and BT) or because they simply can't (LotD). and all that doesn't even approach the subject of Legions, each of which had its own system of organisation and opperation.

the codexes we've been given so far are really quite inadequate at representing the diversity of groups and organisations a SM can fight in.

It would allow us inquisition players more freedom to properly build a nice cool army, without having to lug around several codices and such.

you make a massive assumption when you use the term 'inquisition players', that you should some how have the right to play all the different forces that can be used by the plethora of Inquisitional agents from a single list or book. you might as well be saying it would make it easier if all Imperial, Xeno or Chaos armies were in a single inspite of their disperate and contrary nature to one another.

As for the 'support forces idea', that's already in the current DH and WH codices. You can field the as allies into an existing Imperial force ( SMs, IG, etc...).

agrees. but you are fooling yourself if you think it will be the same in the next book.

 

[Inquisitor Einar]

just how closely do they work together? because the background seems to suggest that Inquisitors are pretty much a law unto themselves with little or no connection to one another other than their powers granted to them by the Imperium. they don't even recruit centrally, acolytes are chosen by the Inquisitor themselves.

even the Ordos are pretty loose groups, more a school of thought than a denominational group.

Exactly my point.
Inquisitors have factions that span across several ordo's. Radical/Puritan, amalthians, thorians, horuscians etc.
So having them all in a single book would mean it's much easier to form an inquisitorial force. Also, because inquisitors can call upon just about anything in the imperium, putting the forces the inquisition generally calls upon to do something in a single book would make it more logical than seperate books.
An Ordo Malleus inquisitor could call upon the arbites of a planet, or the adepta sororitas in his first moves against a demon cult that has risen somewhere. Conversely, if a hereticus inquisitor finds a cult but is too late to stop them from opening the warp and letting out the demons, he would call upon the grey knights to stop these demons, etc.

you make a massive assumption when you use the term 'inquisition players', that you should some how have the right to play all the different forces that can be used by the plethora of Inquisitional agents from a single list or book. you might as well be saying it would make it easier if all Imperial, Xeno or Chaos armies were in a single inspite of their disperate and contrary nature to one another.

agrees. but you are fooling yourself if you think it will be the same in the next book.

Well, if the inquisition were put in a single book, it would be much easier to do the suport in another army bit that is currently in the codices, and I find it a nice idea they did this. Having inquisitoria scrutiny in an SM or IG army or have them there as a support to deal with threat X.
Also, as I said, inquisitors IMHO SHOULD have access to the full range of inquisitorial agents that the various ordo's can call upon.

 

[Chocobuncle]

Im extremely pleased where this thread has gone, really helped to put lots of things into perspective

 

[Blue Liger]

All I can say is I agree with GK not being made plastic, I don't mind SOB been done in plastic but the GK are unique marines, so many people I talk to say if they had plastic GK I'd use them for my space marines instead of these, which then in turn means they can go hey I'll use these GK as my SM and DH army aswell. So I like that they are metal I just wish they came with maybe more men per box and kept the prices of them a bit lower, this way people will still play them but not go hey ow my marines will look 10x cooler as they are all GK plastic marines which ruins the fact they are a small specialised SM chapter that is seperate from the Codex Astartes

 

[The Son of Horus]

Daemonhunters do need a new Codex, but not because it's a bad army-- quite the contrary, really-- it's because the way the Codex was designed was intended for the tail end of 3rd and the start of 4th edition, and the feel of the game has significantly changed since then. With the way armour works right now, Daemonhunters are severely crippled-- they have very little to actually crack heavy armor, and while that makes a degree of sense, it's still a major flaw in the army for the sake of general playability. The Codex is also intended to be used as a suppliment to Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Imperial Guard, and not really as a standalone book, although it's capable of being used as such. GW has gotten away from suppliment books, and has focused on every book being entirely self-contained instead.

Model-wise, the Grey Knights could be plastic if someone were to be clever about how the storm bolter arms were cut. If the storm bolter is attached to the arm in such a way that you can't easily remove it and replace it with a bolter or bolt pistol, for example, then you won't have to worry about people doing what they do with Chaos Daemons and double-dipping the army for different things. Games Workshop's current marketing model is to have kits be relatively interchangable, though, so I'd imagine they'd make it so that you could take individual bitz and make some really cool regular Space Marines using the Grey Knight kit via a kitbashing effort, though.

There -is- a plan to eventually move that range to plastic, but the Inquisition is being redone from the ground up, much like the Dark Eldar-- the concept of the army has to be reexamined to make it work in the current environment, and that takes time.

 

[Inquisitor Einar]

DH have more options to take out heavy armour than WH do actually.. at least you got dreads, our puny penitent engines are not even under our own control ( and get shot up by shooting rather fast )