[darklove]

All your points are valid but as much as I like necrons the nids exist outside the universe and therefor cannot be reached so are invincible

I think you mean galaxy, rather than Universe. The Nids need to keep moving to stay alive because they consume all and do not manage their harvest in the manner that the Necrons do.

For that reason I would assume that the Nids are in big trouble in the galaxy they left, they ate it all, and have nowhere to fall back to. If the Nids don't dominate soon then it might be too late for them as their stock of biomass is depleted by a protracted conflict on many fronts.

The Necrons don't have any psi at all and so would not draw the attention of the nids, and they don't need or provide biomass. They can eat the stars of teh galaxy themselves.

 

[kungfoomasta]

dpending on when humanity dies out chaos will become virtually useless. the necrons can avoid the nids indefinatly because the nids cant find them and will not go to the barren lifless rock that are the necron tomb worlds and eventually the nids will run out of things to eat.

 

[kholek09]

necrons would win.
necrons vs ANYTHING would you plonkers They shall harvest all life! MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!

 

[JokerGod]

Nids every time. this false crap about the necrons ever winning is a bad guess. Necrons CAN NOT get bigger. they are a limited number. The only thing they can create are Phars and there only from very rare human genes.

Nids don't NEED Biomass to survive, they need it to grow. and seeing as how they sent several hive fleet that crushed everything they hit over and over again shows they are the biggest. Also, the hive fleets coming in now are nothing but scout ships, no one knows what the nids have coming in slowly to whipe out the rest of the glaxy before moving on in the universe. All the nids would have to do to kill off the necrons is find there way in to the tombs (not hard) and over run it and destroy everything, Necrons could never stop a hive fleet invasion on there own.

Nids don't go to necron worlds because there is not enough biomass for them to care, not because they can't see them. And if the necrons started to attack the nids they would soon find them selves being over run and be destroyed again.

Choas will never win for one reason, if they kill everything or the Warp takes over the "real world" they will seas to exist, they are only there now because of there moral followers and the corruption of the universe.

 

[thomas2]

I'm not quite sure why Chaos are even in the running for winning out of these three. Lets look at a few possibilities.

1)Necrons seal off the warp. Necrons win, Chaos is destroyed.

2)Necron wipe out most life. Necrons win, Chaos doesn't have enough followers or physic creatures to have any real power.

3)Nids eat everything. Nids win. Otherwise same as above.

4)Full power of nids enters galaxy. A completely united single organism with a massive warp presence. It could probably create a god that's just a warp reflection of itself. Chaos gods get eaten.

Between the 'nids and the Necrons- well we don't know much about them.The current 'nid fleets might be tiny probes, but so might the tomb world uncovered just be the tip of the iceberg. We just don't know.

 

[TheJackalMan]

Between the 'nids and the Necrons- well we don't know much about them.The current 'nid fleets might be tiny probes, but so might the tomb world uncovered just be the tip of the iceberg. We just don't know.

Agreed, if the 'nid fleets are indeed just the tip, well then, crap. If the necrons awoke 100%, well then, crap.

Then again, what if some of the 40k conspiracy theorists are right and the hive mind is actually a C'Tan? 'nids and necrons are somewhat the same. But the Deceiver is a douche and C'Tan wars would probably happen again. *shrug* Or the Deceiver calls upon his Tech Marine followers and steals a few Titans and melds them with Necron Technology...

Well now I'm conspiring.

Anyway, my vote is for necrons, cause I like them better.

 

[Phrazer]

Nids for the win no doubt. They are unlimited in numbers and they havent even properly "arrived" in this galaxy properly yet. If they crossed from another Galaxy to this one then they must have a way of storing biomass for uber long periods of time, so even when they are have eaten this Galaxy whole and are sitting there licking their lips and dipping their claws into that little bowl of lemon water you get after a big meal, they can just pack up and toddle off again in search of other Galaxies.

Now IF the 'Crons can stay asleep/hidden while all thats going on fair play to them, but they are going to be a little lonely if they ever come outa hibination. Now i dont know much about 'Cron fluff but from what ive read on here is true then they need "life" to survive as well... if thats the case then im afraid Mr Necron come on in, 'cos your time is up!!

Chaos to win long long term?? Dont make me laugh it takes more than a few spikes and a couple of tenticles to go the distance in this ****ed up Galaxy!! No shot!!

However if depends what you mean by LONG term. I mean are we are talking a thousand or so years for the Nids to eat this Galaxy?? Ok say 10k years it doesnt matter, that is still no time at all in the wider scheme of things. Im a Geologist so i tend to think in terms of Millions or even Billions of years.!! Maybe if the Crons could sleep for that ammount of time they might out last EVERYTHING :-S

 

[Daneel2.0]

Nids every time. this false crap about the necrons ever winning is a bad guess. Necrons CAN NOT get bigger. they are a limited number. The only thing they can create are Pariahs and there only from very rare human genes.

Sure they can. They transitioned as a race to a robot body, why couldn’t they transition another race to a robot body? The pariah gene was planted in humans because it was useful for the C’Tan in their struggle against Immaterium threats. The fact that they are only using it and no other humans (when it’s obviously possible for them to transition humans) seems to indicate that the C’Tan feel they don’t need another race to win.

Also, the hive fleets coming in now are nothing but scout ships, no one knows what the nids have coming in slowly to wipe out the rest of the galaxy before moving on in the universe.

Absolutely correct, nobody knows. Meaning it’s just as likely they don’t have anything else, as they have a ton of more hive fleets.

All the nids would have to do to kill off the necrons is find there way in to the tombs (not hard) and over run it and destroy everything, Necrons could never stop a hive fleet invasion on there own.

Sure, but 3 pylons, and the invasion stops. Cut access to the warp, no hive mind, no nid problem.

Nids for the win no doubt. They are unlimited in numbers and they havent even properly "arrived" in this galaxy properly yet.

Same can be said of Necrons :grin:

Now i dont know much about 'Cron fluff but from what ive read on here is true then they need "life" to survive as well... if thats the case then im afraid Mr Necron come on in, 'cos your time is up!!

Nope, they don’t. Only the C’Tan require any nourishment and they can eat stars. They just prefer life forms – better flavor.

Now if the C’Tan finish their great work, it’s no contest. Nids lose even if they outnumber the Necrons a trillion to one. There may not even be a conflict in that case, depending on where the rest of the fleets were.

 

[JokerGod]

you assume the nids need the warp to stay in contact with the hive mind. And the C'Tan can't just take another race, that is why there not. they need the phar gene in order to force them in to serving them, the only reason the necrons exist is because the people gave them selves to the C'tan.

Necrons will never win, they will never shut the warp out of imperium and they will never stop the Nid Hive fleet.

The ONLY race that can combat the nids long term is the Orks, there the only ones that are bread for combat life them and they can constantly replace there numbers with out even thinking.

 

[Daneel2.0]

Nids do need contact with the hive mind; look at what happens to their units w/o it.

And C'Tan can just take other races. It's happened to regular modified humans before I believe. The thing is the more they take the fewer they can eat, and they are greedy suckers. The pariah gene just happens to be so useful that they take it more often.

 

[JokerGod]

Nids do need contact with the hive mind; look at what happens to their units w/o it.

And C'Tan can just take other races. It's happened to regular modified humans before I believe. The thing is the more they take the fewer they can eat, and they are greedy suckers. The pariah gene just happens to be so useful that they take it more often.

But the hive mind doesn't need the warp to contact its minions. In fact it destroys the warp where ever it gos.

And Necrons can't just take people, if they could do that they would not have lost the great war with the old ones. They need the people to submit to them in order for it to work, if they don't give them selves freely to the C'Tan they can't take there souls and place them in a body.

 

[Concrete Hero]

But the hive mind doesn't need the warp to contact its minions. In fact it destroys the warp where ever it gos.

And Necrons can't just take people, if they could do that they would not have lost the great war with the old ones. They need the people to submit to them in order for it to work, if they don't give them selves freely to the C'Tan they can't take there souls and place them in a body.

Where have you read that it destroys it? In the Nid codex the Shadow in the Warp is described as a Blanket blocking all Atropathical communication and shrouding the Astronomicon.

How do you even destroy the Warp? And how then do Hive Tyrants Use "Warp Blasts" if its been destroyed? ALong with their other Psychic Powers.

And in the 'Cron Codex (I'll admit its been a while before I've touched the damn thing) the Necrons aren't described as 'Losing' against the Old Ones (in fact the Old Ones were getting really desperate). Rather that Chaos (or whatever it was) was killing everything else so they had nothing to do. Thus going into hibernation to let the Galaxy re-populate.

There's even a little extract concerning who I imagine is the Deceiver stating the Plague could not harm them, but killed everything else

 

[darklove]

The C'tan will always be the winners in the end, the Necrons are just a tool. But I would not put it past GW to change fluff again, they do it all the time, so lets wait until a new Codex comes out to see how they fit with 5thed. (probably 7th ed.) fluff progression.

 

[admiraldick]

blatantly Chaos will win out. as you question is effectively 'which will win a force of nature or a temporal creature?'

if the Tyranids wipe ever other living thing out in the galaxy (which there are very, very far away from doing), they may well wipe out the current Chaos pantheon with them. but being living creatures they have a warp presence that adds to Chaos. ultimately they will likely end up birthing a new god in their own image, the Hive Mind personified. and there is nothing that they can do about that (nor is there any reason as to why they should be concerned). in a particularly grim twist its possible to speculate that the Tyranids are perhaps being draw to this galaxy because of Chaos. perhaps they are aiming to meet up at the Eye of Terror, at which point Chaos will find a perfect host for its presence in the material world, and the Tyranids will gain the power to mutate at whim within without even the necessity to reproduce.

what do the Necron's have going for them? they're on a back foot already. sure the universe is full of life for them to harvest on behalf of their confusing and contradictory masters, but it was during the War in Heaven and they didn't win out in that war either. and they are showing signs of weakness in adopting the weapons of the enemy they are utterly against (irrespective of the fact that Pariahs make no sense, they are an abomination to the causes of the Necrons if not the C'tan). and even if the Necrons/C'tan do despise the power that creatures can weild by being connected to the warp, they have little power over the warp itself. like twins conjoined from the neck down, any attempt to split reality from the immaterium would just destroy both. so they would loose out in the end.

 

[bishop5]

Tyranids... they mostly come at night... mostly.

 

[Deceiver]

Necrons-- I am a StarGod. I am forever.

 

[Concrete Hero]

Tyranids... they mostly come at night... mostly.

Thats funking brilliant! That post was gold

 

[darklove]

like twins conjoined from the neck down, any attempt to split reality from the immaterium would just destroy both.

No. You assume that, like twins conjoined from the neck down, this is state of existence that has always been thus.

This is NOT the case.

It is quite obvious, from reading the history of the Old Ones, that the materium and immaterium were split entirely and only the advanced technologies of the Old Ones could form small, controlled, breaches between them.

Neither materium or immaterium would be destroyed if the barriers between them were restored; but the Chaos Gods would no longer exist and Warp travel would cease, so there would be negative consequences for some factions.

 

[Daneel2.0]

and they are showing signs of weakness in adopting the weapons of the enemy they are utterly against (irrespective of the fact that Pariahs make no sense, they are an abomination to the causes of the Necrons if not the C'tan). and even if the Necrons/C'tan do despise the power that creatures can weild by being connected to the warp, they have little power over the warp itself. like twins conjoined from the neck down, any attempt to split reality from the immaterium would just destroy both. so they would loose out in the end.

Adapting to the enemy, and adopting weapons that are useful, is a strength and not a weakness.

Add to that the Pariah gene was introduced into humanity by the C'Tan themselves (before they went into stasis) on purpose, not because the Pariah have warp powers, but because they have NO presence in the warp. They are an anti-warp weapon. This fits exactly with the C'Tan goals.

 

[admiraldick]

No. You assume that, like twins conjoined from the neck down, this is state of existence that has always been thus.

no, i don't. but thank you for telling me what i think.

It is quite obvious, from reading the history of the Old Ones, that the materium and immaterium were split entirely and only the advanced technologies of the Old Ones could form small, controlled, breaches between them.

out of curiosity could you please give a citation for that.

Adapting to the enemy, and adopting weapons that are useful, is a strength and not a weakness.

when you phrase it like that, that's true.

when you look at the confused and poorly thought through background of the Necrons and C'tan its much less clear. how does one combine genes and metal anyway?

the Necrons felt that they were, in some way, superior to other races (confusingly because of their weaknesses). there should be no other races then them. to then admit that there is something worthwhile in their enemy is very much against their goal.

Add to that the Pariah gene was introduced into humanity by the C'Tan themselves (before they went into stasis) on purpose

which makes the whole thing make even less sense. why bother? what even is it that the C'tan want out of people? if its not their warp based souls, then what is it?

the whole thing needs some serious rethinking because then ends simply don't meet.

not because the Pariah have warp powers, but because they have NO presence in the warp. They are an anti-warp weapon. This fits exactly with the C'Tan goals.

its cool, i had worked out what a Pariah was (although as a weapon they are fairly ineffectual), i was not objecting to the 'weapon' as much as the concept behind the weapon.

although it begs another question, what's the difference between a Pariah and a normal Necron that completely lacks a warp presence?