Hmm... I dunno about baneblades, but Pre-heresy the legions had fellblades which were quite similar. Some space marine chapters might still have some still working one or could have replaced them with baneblades. I haven't actually seen any fluff on it though.

sorry I can't be of more help

 

Space Wolves are one of the original legions, so it's actually fairly reasonable that they would have some Fellblades on hand.

 

Well,considering some chapters can sequester tanks from guard regiments in times of great need, the wolves may simply have...redecorated said Baneblade.
I do remember there was a Crimson Fists Baneblade involved in the Tale Of Four Gamers in last years WD December,the records may still be on the GW site.

 

the only super heavies marines have is the thunderhawk gunship, they do not have and are not allowed to have baneblades fluffwise at all, and the very large majority do not have fellblades, only those that really ignore Gulliman probably have 1 or maybe 2 rusting away, but I doubt they would be used much if at all as marines have no way to transport them down to a planet and do not fit the whole strike force theme.

the only way marines would have baneblades rolling along side them is if there own PDF force (like the ultramarine one) is equipped with them, as they would most likely get some of the best equipment, but they would not be crewed by space marines ever.

 

They could requsition them from local guard forces. I'm guessing a chapter master outranks a guard colenel.

 

if its against the rules laid down by gulliman I actually think a colonel has every right to turn around and say "no" then just show the space marine the book where it says why he can't have one, now handing a platoon of men and a baneblade crewed by guardsmen into the chapter masters temporary command would probably be acceptable, but not to have the marines crew the vehicle.

unless all the crew were somehow killed and the marines use the vehicle with the full intention of handing it back over.

the codex astartes is very clear on who can use what and who cannot, and it would be the job of the imperial command or astartes command to be aware of there limits on what they can and cannot request.

And really if you think about it Who's to say that Marines don't have super heavies stashed on their homeworlds for last ditch defence.

the Guilliman

 

Well since theyre only available in Apocalypse level games i wouldn't worry. I have a friend who likes to field three Black Legion Baneblades crewed by Marines along with his Traitor Guard and Black Legion armies during apocalypse battles. And really if you think about it Who's to say that Marines don't have super heavies stashed on their homeworlds for last ditch defence.

I bet they look bitchin all wolfed out though. (Starts looking for a Baneblade done in Blood Angels colours)

 

Except he (theoretical Commissar or Imperial official) would have to go talk to Logan Grimnar, who's not only twice his size and carrying a hefty axe but is also one of the most liked guys in the galaxy. And lots of people owe him favors for saving their a**es. Who knows, one of those people might happen to be high up in a Forge World government...

 

With regards the original fluff, I have only seen official fluff in one area and that is the Horus heresy Visions of heresy artbooks. I have the collected visions book and there are pictures of a couple of fellblades in legion liveries. That is not to say there isn't more elsewhere but that is all I have ever found. Please note that these artworks are a little older than our current fluff. The fellblade in the book is recognisable as similar in weapons configuration to a baneblade but there the similarities end. They are not recognisable as a known baneblade hull pattern. The datasheet for the fellblade originated on the BOLS website and in my opinion is just an extension of the fluff I mentioned above.
Regarding legions that would have one, there are no legions where the use of a superheavy tank suits their combat doctrine with the exception of the iron warriors.

Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

 

I think what we have here is a case of. It's never been mentioned in a codex SO IT CAN'T POSSIBLY HAPPEN IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM!

 

but it has been mentioned, in fluff, not BL fluff, but GW fluff, different books from every edition of the game mention it somewhere, its more a case of people who haven't read much fluff thinking they have read enough but have actually missed entire chunks of it so make stuff up

 

Even if they somehow got hold of a Baneblade I would imagine that its hard to get it back (I realise that I'm now referring to black library here and that is frowned upon but here goes). The Munitorum is a vast and highly bureaucratic organisation. A whole plethora of forms has to be filled in and triple stamped even before an IG regiment can be issued with ammunition. I would imagine that the same red tape would surround the requisitioning of a baneblade would involve a similar amount of work. You may then point out the value of a baneblade in comparison to las rounds but the principle is the same. Everyone knows how bureaucrats operate.

I think you both make valid points here. I like the idea of a handing over ceremony involving copious amounts of mead. I'm with shaantitus on this one - Iron Warriors would only realistically use a baneblade. Lumbering behemoths don't really work in shock assaults from orbit. Mind you, I'm not fussed really - I think its cool and would like to see it. I hope it looks as good as my imagination holds it to be.

 

Thanks piemaster. To be honest when the baneblade came out i desperately wanted to use one but didn't feel comfortable with it. So i built a traitor guard army so i could ally it with my CSM's. Now my guard army is bigger than my csm army and contains seven superheavies. My csm's have a brass scorpion and that is it.

 

I really don't know much of the insides of a baneblade or other guards tanks but would a space marine even be able to fit in there? I mean space marines are pretty big.

 

Hey guys found an actual codex source of the Ultramarines using Titans on Macragge, they're not Baneblades but they're super-heavies and THEY WERE USED BY THE BIGGEST CODEX-LOVER IN THE GALAXY, Pappa Smerf himself. So anyone who wants to say that Marines can't get super-heavies just can't hold up, they were used by the friggin Ultramarines!

@piemaster: Yeah no one else except for maybe Iron Hands or Imperial Fists would logically use them in their strike forces, but in their PDFs a whole bunch of chapters might use them, as pointed out above the smerfs have some god-machines stashed away on Macragge somewhere for last ditch defense.

@coder59: Could you please share some of those reasons just because Stella will ignore them doesn't mean that all of us will.

 

ok first thing is in all the Space Marine Codex books there is no Baneblade entry therefore in regular games it isnt possible to field a Baneblade at all unless you take the Apocalypse Baneblade list which is legal but not true to the background.

Space Marines are a rapid strike force/shock troops. in their operations they have no use for a large super heavy like the Baneblade, thats why they have Thunderhawk gunships which offer them more tactical flexibility.

If you look at everything that was written regarding super heavy vehicles especially early White Dwarf magazines from the 80s there is artwork and some references to Marines having super heavy tanks, though it wasnt similar to the Baneblade in design, it was however big and did pack a large main gun with additional turrets, the look was more like the original MK1 Predator from Rogue Trader era.

to be honest if someone wants to make up fluff to include one or more Baneblades in their Space Marine army then why not? its a game after all and as long as people agree and fair points are paid then carry on.

with regards to mention of BL being inline with official GW cannon, im afraid not as GW have stated numerous times anything written by BL is NOT officially authorised background and should be treated as such.

and on to the use of Titans by the Ultra Marines, any Space Marine Legion can call the assistance of the Legio Titanicus but Space Marines do NOT and never will maintain and use their own Titans. the same reason for them not using super heavies applies here, in that it is not part of their strategy or Modus Operandi as a Rapid Strike force.

my two cents

 

with regards to mention of BL being inline with official GW cannon, im afraid not as GW have stated numerous times anything written by BL is NOT officially authorised background and should be treated as such.

Can you tell me where they've said that (specifically) - as I said, I've searched but all the statements I've found say that BL stuff is canon (including the BL FAQ). Loads of people say the same as you, but I'd like to read it for myself before I believe it over the other statements I found. So far no one has been able to point me at a single source that categorically states BL stuff is not canonical, despite loads of people telling me they're read it numerous times...

 

Yeah except it's in two codices. In both the nids and the marines take on the sige of macragge (maybe not in the marines) titans are mentioned, and in the nid dex it's very clear that the only reinforcements were ultramarines until battle fleet tempestus joined the party.

 

Im sure he could come up with a reasonable explantion fluffwise for having a baneblade.

On a side not, if BL isnt canon, then the HH main characters such as loken and garro etc arent real as they have never been mentioned outside of the HH books, therefore screwing up nearly all of 40ks fluff:so_happy:

 

as they have never been mentioned outside of the HH books, therefore screwing up nearly all of 40ks fluff:so_happy:

doesn't your first part contradict the second?, if they have never been mentioned except in those BL books, how does it screw up all of 40ks fluff?

GW's base 40k fluff has been around longer than the horus heresy series.




(of course this entire conversation is BoLS fault for creating that thrice cursed fellblade sheet for apocashit)

 

Lets go burn down bols? :biggrin:

 

Well the trouble with saying Loken and Garro haven't been mentioned outside of the HH novels is that that statement is bollocks.

Garro for one was esconced quite happily in 'official' fluff well before the HH novels came out and the majority of the rest of the notable characters in the HH series so far originate from the Horus Heresy: Collected Visions.

 

My bad, but you get what i mean dont you?

 

well by the same effect BL mention what are basically zombies in Cadian blood, but you can't take them in 40k anymore without the eye of terror codex, which unfortunately people think is illegal.

or in Fifteen hours it has Orks hitting when they shoot, which does not happen in the game.

you also have space marines ripping open battlecruisers with there teeth while peeing in a heretics face and turning his skin inside out while at the same time with no arms punching chaos marines in half....with no arms, none of this again happens in game

 

Thought so. True there is some pretty f**ked up shit in some of the older books but as coder59 said the newer ones fit with everything and there is no logical reason for them to be excluded for the canon.

 

Stella I must protest the brutal slaying of our nuns and child...... Oh yeah, Sarcasm

 

Stella I must protest the brutal slaying of our nuns and child...... Oh yeah, Sarcasm

of course, I mean come on, nuns in Australia?, obvious sarcasm :biggrin:

 

well i know that the Iron Warriors would most certainly have a baneblade or at least something like it because it goes in line with their battlefield doctrine, shit they have their own titans now for christs sake why wouldnt they have a baneblade.

 

Yes but since they're religion-crazed SOBs they probably woudn't have left unless they were really losing.

 

That shows how much knowledge you have of that army. There are many reasons why they could have left. Such as an Inquisitor recalled them or perhaps their was an attack in a nearby sector and they had to go help or maybe they were in stalemate.

 

Wow. This is an exact replay of an earlier occurrence between me and Stella in this thread. That was sarcasm, sorry if you thought I was serious. Just don't really have a high opinion of the Sisters fluff. :so_happy:

 

Regarding the Space Wolves and their relationship with the Inquisition; I think chances are that although they are happy to tell an Inquisitor to p*ss off, they're unlikely to tell the Inquisition as a whole to p*ss off.

With the former, they'd be faced with one annoyed Inquisitor who, despite his authority, would be pretty much powerless to take action against a chapter as famous as the SW. The Inquisitor wouldn't have enough personal forces to take on the SW and if he tried to requisition more for a campaign against them, chances are other Inquisitors would hear about it and put a stop to him.

With the latter, well it's hard to know how the SW even could tell the Inquisition as a whole to p*ss off - the Inquisition is not a monolithic organisation, so although they might annoy an individual Inquisitor or a Cell, Cabal, or even Conclave, that's not the same as teling the organisation to p*ss off.