My question is simple:

No its isn't.

If the Chaos Gods are as I mentioned, what happens when a strong enough "new influence" (on the levels as what created/birthed the main 4 gods? For example, if something such as hate/greed/fear/ect brings Tzeentch, Nurgle, Khorne, ect into power, what would a similarly strong push of say......"My Little Pony" or the colour "Mauve" do? Yeah, I know that the MLP might've brought Nurgle into existence, but Mauve, now that's the tricky part.

I think that yes, that would work. The chaos gods are just a manifestation of emotions so if a whole crap load of people felt strongly enough about something I suppose it might just manifest as a god. Though by that reasoning, by now we have probably made a god who looks suspiciously like Edward Cullen.....

More importantly, if the currently inhabitants of the known galaxy are doing this, who's the more chaotic: The Gods, or the people/entities living in it?

That's a really good question and in my opinion it is the people who had those emotions in the first place that are 'evil'. I'd reason that it isn't really the chaos gods' fault that they want to kill or infest ect, they feel that way because they were created to feel that way and have no control over it. On the other hand the people/xenos weren't forced to feel that way, sure they might have had a pretty good reason but in the end it is still their choice.

 

Heres something that will blow your mind. How chaotic could the Chaos Gods be if they have names and specific domains they rule over.

There seems to be a lot of order to what they do for being Chaos Gods :laugh:

 

How chaotic could the Chaos Gods be if they have names and specific domains they rule over.

There seems to be a lot of order to what they do for being Chaos Gods :laugh:

They have no names, "Khorne" for example is just a label we mortals give that particular entity in an attempt to better comprehend it.

As for their "realms". Well each realm isn't actually a Palace, Maze, Garden or Fortress respectively. They are merely the visions that mortals attach to particular warp energy once again in an attempt to instill order and reason on the chaos and incomprehensible nature of the warp.

 

If you just look at numbers its easy to say that persons are more chaotic than the 4 chaos gods. I mean there are billions of persons and 4 gods.

 

...Looking at it this way, I am suddenly overwhelmed with this baffling thought: Wouldn't there be a Chaos God of "Order" by now? Anyone else thought that?

 

Except life is not really orderly, in emotion, though or deed. Order can only exist in it's pure form when life is extinguished and even the stars die at the end of the universe, when time itself ends, and the Warp is finally calm.
The closest thing to gods of "order" would be the C'tan or the Tyranid Hive Mind. Isn't that a frightening thought?

 

If the Chaos Gods are as I mentioned, what happens when a strong enough "new influence" (on the levels as what created/birthed the main 4 gods? For example, if something such as hate/greed/fear/ect brings Tzeentch, Nurgle, Khorne, ect into power, what would a similarly strong push of say......"My Little Pony" or the colour "Mauve" do? Yeah, I know that the MLP might've brought Nurgle into existence, but Mauve, now that's the tricky part.

See the thing is that 'Mauve' isn't an emotion. It might cause a certain emotion, it might be intrinsically linked to certain emotions but it is not itself an emotion. This is my main problem with the idea that the Emperor could become a 'chaos' power, he doesn't represent an emotion. It doesn't matter what you call the god you worship or where you try to channel the acts you do. If they unleash a certain emotion they empower the god associated with that emotion.

As far as a new god coming I present two points. The first is that most major emotions (ie. those likely to garner enough 'worshippers' to see them elevated to consiousness) are covered at least partially by the Ruinious Powers (or some combination of them). The second is a mindbomb. There can't be any new powers created because if there was gonna be one it would already exist whilst also not existing.

More importantly, if the currently inhabitants of the known galaxy are doing this, who's the more chaotic: The Gods, or the people/entities living in it?

It's definetly the people. Each and every being in the galaxy can (at least theorectically) choose which god it follows, which emotions it unleashes. And they need not choose a consitent one either. The Gods are slaves to our whims not the other way around.

 

See the thing is that 'Mauve' isn't an emotion. It might cause a certain emotion, it might be intrinsically linked to certain emotions but it is not itself an emotion. This is my main problem with the idea that the Emperor could become a 'chaos' power, he doesn't represent an emotion. It doesn't matter what you call the god you worship or where you try to channel the acts you do. If they unleash a certain emotion they empower the god associated with that emotion.

As far as a new god coming I present two points. The first is that most major emotions (ie. those likely to garner enough 'worshippers' to see them elevated to consiousness) are covered at least partially by the Ruinious Powers (or some combination of them). The second is a mindbomb. There can't be any new powers created because if there was gonna be one it would already exist whilst also not existing.

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The Gods are slaves to our whims not the other way around.

Whilst that is true, it works both ways. The Gods are slaves to our whims, just as much as we are slaves to their whims.

surely the emporer himself is a living manifestation of pure undisputed order?

I don't really see how you could justify that.

 

i dont read alot of fluff but the god of order....surely the emporer himself is a living manifestation of pure undisputed order?

 

Just to expand on Child of Chaos and MEQinc's very informative posts, there already are more than four chaos gods and all the minor emotions do form lesser powers... But none of these have yet approached the level of saturation of the main four, which arose in times of pretty much pan-galactic hate, despair, hope and hedonism. There are also, as MEQinc points out, very few motivations and emotions that don't fall in some regard into those four (Technically, Slaanesh embodies love, for example).

Apart from ennui, perhaps, but the chaos god of ennui is simply too busy with its existential musing to create daemons or terrorise the mortal realm. :grin:

 

I'm sad to say that hope, even a nobler kind, is well and truly Tzeentch's domain.

I don't believe the Emperor to be a chaos god or powered by any particular emotion or concept - this is why he opposes chaos.

His professed goals - a human utopia - are surprisingly shallow. I think this was a smokescreen for a truer goal - to evolve mankind, socially and possibly even physically, into a more advanced form of life. Like him. That was why he was progressive, but very harsh with those who tried to deify him. It's why he allowed psykers like Malcador but had greater reservations about Librarians (though he initially allowed them) -mankind wasn't ready yet, in his eyes.

 

My input on the creation of gods:

It takes a whole lot more than just worshipping an emotion to bring about a god. According to some sources ive read the three original Chaos Gods: Tzeentch, Nurgle and Khorne didnt become fully conciouss and full chaos gods until the Third(3rd) Millenium. Now thats including all the help from the univers other races that worship the forms of the chaos gods. So it takes an extremely long time to create a god. Im also going to say that my idea of how to create a god in the warp also requires Pyschic ability/latency. As the Chaos gods werent created until after the Old Ones made races that could use psychic abilities(so in my opinion the C'tan and Necrons are the root reason the Chaos Gods exsist).

But for the general idea of how long it takes to create a chaos god using an emotion. I would say it takes a good several tens of thousands of years from a STRONG psychic race like the eldar.

Seeing as from the disappearance of the Old Ones up until the just before the start of the Great Crusade(as Slaanesh's birth screams tore open the eye of terror and blew 95% of the warp storms away) is a very long time.

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