[DireAvenger]

how decisive exactly is wysiwyg? i mean, i like to use twin-linked missle launchers with my wraithlord, but you cant just buy a model like that and i dont wanna buy another wl just so i can put on another ml. how exact is wysiwyg?

 

[The Wraithlord]

Depends on where you are and who you game with. At tourneys it is a big deal but with friends it shouldn't really matter at all.

 

[The Son of Horus]

Conversions, conversions! You could represent the twin-linked missile launcher by a big targeting lens or something where the second weapon would be. You just have to explain to your opponent what you've got. I try to hold myself to a tournament-standard wysiwyg and tournament-standard of painting (i.e. I don't use unpainted models) but I obviously can't hold anyone else to that standard since I'd hardly ever get to play if I did.

 

[Galahad]

Battlewagon bits (linked in the shopping thread) is your friend. Buy that second ML

It boils down to this: If youlve paid the points for it, it HAS to be on the model

It's a one-way street though. Just because you have it on a model doesn't nessecarily mean it needs to be on his sheet

Grenades and skills seemt to be the exception/gray area in the WYSIWYG rules. Some people will argue that everythign needs to be there, other people cite a rule form an older edition (I believe) that says grenades ad small stuff need not be reresented(hell, a 5 man assault squad sprue only comes with three meltabombs)

Most people will go for a compromise. If someone (preferably someone wihtout access to wargear) in a squad has an 'everybody must take' upgrade like grenades, modeled on the mini then you can assume the whole squad has them.

In any event, whether the model has things on it that aren't paid for, or if you're in a friendly game where WYSIWYG isn't a huge priority, or you have skills or other unmodeled things, ALWAYS INFORM YOUR OPPONENT

 

[The Son of Horus]

Generally, things that the squad can have as a whole just needed to be represented on the majority of the models. For example, the three meltabombs on the assault sprue. Three of five is the majority. For meltabombs, I only model one or two in the squad with them, because you have to figure that's pretty specialized equipment (not to mention I never actually take it, so it's not really an issue anyway) so you wouldn't arm an entire squad with that sort of thing.

As a general rule, even when everything is WYSIWYG, it's good to let your opponent know what you've got on each model if there's even a negligable possibility that it could be mistaken for something else (i.e. frag grenades and krak grenades look a lot alike when you're not looking closely at the model.)

 

[The Wraithlord]

Most people will go for a compromise. If someone (preferably someone wihtout access to wargear) in a squad has an 'everybody must take' upgrade like grenades, modeled on the mini then you can assume the whole squad has them.

Heh, then my firewarriors would throw you for a loop as they all have grenades on the model but have never actually had them in game. I just like the way they look . However, you are absolutely right about INFORMING the opponent. So long as you do so, there really shouldn't be a problem, especially in friendly games.

 

[Galahad]

Same here. Thats why I said that if you have somethign on a model that doesn;t exist on paper, you should tell the other guy

 

[uberschveinen]

My personal preference? Tell the guy, as usual, but I put little strips of paper on unusual models with what they are written on them, so neither player forgets.

 

[ChaosDefilerofUlthuan]

Short awnsers is it stands for What You See Is What You get meaning if it shows something IE a flamer it is what your model uses.

 

[LordOwlingtonIII]

Depends on the game. Sometimes a LEGO mechanic on a base is an acceptable proxy for a techpriest. Other times Cadian snipers models can't count as Ratlings. (Despite snipers being snipers)

 

[Uber Ork]

how decisive exactly is wysiwyg? i mean, i like to use twin-linked missle launchers with my wraithlord, but you cant just buy a model like that and i dont wanna buy another wl just so i can put on another ml. how exact is wysiwyg?

I assume you mean at a tournament, since you can do whatever you like with your friends. Simply put wysiwyg means that your opponent can tell exactly what your unit has simply by looking at it. i.e. literally, what you see on the model is what it has.

However, no need to buy another WL to get that extra missile launcher
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440339a&prodId=prod1290046

 

[aireoth]

My local tournament group has always been fairly forgiving, as long as you do your best to represent the equipment, the only thing they get sticky on is characters.

My Wraithlord had two Starcannons in the list, I simply attached a targeting array and informed the group and my opponents. They are all generally happy as long as some effort has gone into the model and its representation.

I always go over lists prior to a battle, so no calling foul.
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[Snake40000]

Ok so look at csm's the come with (Aka for free)
Power Armor
Bolt Pistol
Frag Grenades
Krak Grenades
ccw
Bolter

Would i have to put all of them on Each Marine?

Considering that they all come with em cant i just mix them up a bit and say that they have everything? <--- would this be allowed in tornements?

 

[bitsandkits]

This is the area were alot of my sales come from, i get alot of messages and orders a month before large WYSIWYG tournaments and from players who want to represent it accurately as possible.
Personally i have never played in this fasion, im firmly of the mind that the model on the table is just a representation of what written on your list, as long as its written down and you have paid the points it really does not matter if the model is equipped correctly.The wraith lord is a very good example of this, i have modeled mine with a wraith sword because it looks bad ass and a bright lance and flamers, does not mean that im gonna field him like that every battle,i will choose different weapons based on who my opponent is gonna be or what points i am playing etc.
But tournments i guess are different to prevent cheating,hence the term.

 

[Styro-J]

That's the way it is here, too. As long as there is a similar model to the unit being represented, most opponents are cool with it. WYSIWYG is only in effect for tourneys around here, and even then some things like Harlequin Kisses often get a pass.

 

[Stella Cadente]

I see this 4 year old thread slipped under the radar.

WYSIWYG for me is fulfilled enough as long as my opponent shows upgrades (special/heavy/special CCW weapons) and at least some of the standard equipment, so in the case of chaos marines a few daggers here and there, holster pistols and a light sprinkling of grenades is always useful, just to remind yourself and opponents who may not be familiar with chaos loadouts.

plus the extra details look better than nothing

 

[forkbanger]

Use WYSWIG for specialists and characters.
Basic troops don't matter, as long as it's clear what they are.

Nobody will care if your Assault Marines are running around with two pistols or two chainswords, as long as they are clearly Assault Marines. They will care if it turns out that the dude with a flamer has a meltagun, and the sergeant with his dramatically-posed chainsword and pointing hand turns out to have a plasma pistol and power fist.

Invest in some magnets, and start drilling.