I hope Curze comes back, not Night Haunter and leads the imperium to a new golden age against the forces of chaos.
No, there have never been any primarch rules in any Codex.I'm going to go out on a limb here and make a really random arse comment; but was there any Primarchs in past CSM/SM Codex's. As I surf both Lexicanum and the Web I find pictures of Warhammer 40k Primarchs in miniature form; and many others as well. As of this past hour I have found a Sanguinius, Angron, Guilliman, Leman Russ, Macharius, Imbraham Gaunt, and 3 Random Ecclesiarchy Saints. While I am not sure if they were made for show, or custom built, does anyone here know if perhaps GW made models of them for 2nd or 3rd Edition Codex?
Any, just putting this out there in case anyone knows about it.
Don't....just don't.How is Curze going to come back since he's dead? How do you separate Curze from the Night Haunter? They're one in the same. Prince of Crows suggests Night Haunter was by far Curze's preferred persona and his 'true' one. All his justifications about justice and rule through fear were a sham, he did it because he enjoyed it, like his psychopathic sons.
No, there have never been any primarch rules in any Codex.
Angron did have rules once in epic, the 6mm scale game published by GW. He may have also had an Apocalypse data sheet at one point.
The only official primarch models are the one's being released by forgeworld (and the old epic angron). Any others you see are conversions or 3rd party products.
@Lux How is Curze going to come back since he's dead? How do you separate Curze from the Night Haunter? They're one in the same. Prince of Crows suggests Night Haunter was by far Curze's preferred persona and his 'true' one. All his justifications about justice and rule through fear were a sham, he did it because he enjoyed it, like his psychopathic sons.
Trust me man... been there... you want no part of that... uke:
You cannot know of the horrors I saw in there... :shok:
Fulgrim... Curze... and Lionel... MmmmWho's Pandora, and how do I get into her box?
[/QUOTE]And lore wise, Abaddon has forged pacts with and gained the support of most of the Chaos Primarchs for his 13th Black Crusade. The Despoiler intends to unleash them, along with their daemonic hordes, when he is able to establish the Crimson Path. Of course though, this will never actually come to pass in the lore because the setting will never advance beyond 999.M41.
The setting is frozen at the Time of Ending, even moving the clock forward a single century would realistically see the end of the Imperium. Remember, the theme behind Warhammer 40,000 isn't that the Imperium will one day emerge triumphant. It's the chronicle of how humanity ends, inch by inch. If you allow progression there won't be an Imperium left to be the protagonists.So tell me why you don't want to story to progress past 999.M41? What would be so horrible at resolving these plot lines?
I don't think complaining about minor elements of a HH novel can be realistically compared to wanting a major timeline progression across the whole setting. Just because I don't want the timeline to advance doesn't mean I have to like and enjoy all plot developments that are incorporated into the setting.So many left open and never resolved or just retconned. Even you have complained with the new Fulgrim plot change. You think that will be the end of it?
I disagree. The writers have an almost endless opportunity to create new stories and incorporate them into the setting. They've been doing it for decades, and will continue to do so.The writers do not have the ability to make truly "new" stories. So they have started looking at old stories and began to tweak them. That's why there isn't a legitimate characterization for the Emperor yet and most of his sons have suffered the same lack of solid characterization. Some of the best novels in the Heresy series have been tweaked to fit new fluff. This will not stop. How will progressing the story line make this any worse?
Indeed, compare Aaron's Curze, Angron or Lorgar to Swallow's Mortarion or Lee's El'Johnson.And I would argue that some Primarchs lack a solid characterisation because of a lack of talent in the BL author-pool, not because of the nature of the setting.