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I found my stash of old White Dwarfs today, I had a couple from 2004 and they've really changed the magazine up quite a lot. They had some pretty awesome painting/converting articles back in the day and a lot of great features on exceptional Grand Tournament armies and players, and of course the awesome Chapter Approved articles. The particular issue I found, WD 289 from February, 2004 even had an Iron Hands short story inside.

Compared to this, today's WD may as well just be a catalog. I wish they'd go back to putting some real beef in these things. I guess spearhead is kind of cool, but it's really just an excuse to sell more tank kits.
 

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as I have always said and will always continue to say in relation to WD
BRING BACK FAT BLOKE!!!!!

oh and dump jervis, I'm sick of his standard bearer articles.
 

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oh and dump jervis, I'm sick of his standard bearer articles.
Aye, most of 'em are shite.

Could do with more conversion/painting articles, other than just whatever models they have released that month.

Also, would love to see proper GT reports, not just some of the losers that went from WD.
 

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I've not bought White Dwarf for years as its just been crap compared to the old ones. White Dwarf 200... enough said.
 

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as I have always said and will always continue to say in relation to WD
BRING BACK FAT BLOKE!!!!!

oh and dump jervis, I'm sick of his standard bearer articles.
Paul Sawyer was a complete tool, he used to be my trade sales guy when he got demoted from white dwarf, thankfully he got the boot from trade too.

I cant deny though the magazine was better under fat bloke than it is now, but for me everything after about issue 200 turned a bit poo and i personally think the worst period was when LOTR was introduced, though i dont think that was just white dwarf, i personally believe the company has lost its focus since adding what it considers a third core game and classifying some of the classics to "specialist games".
I dont even buy White Dwarf anymore, the only thing in it recently i had enjoyed were the painting masterclass articles, but as i rarely have time to paint it seemed stupid forking out £4 for two pages of info that i may never get round to using.
My biggest criticism of the magazine is battle reports, I have never read one of them, couldnt give a monkeys who won, it wasnt me rolling the dice so who gives a crap, plus i have always assumed they were rigged as the winner seems to be the guy with the currently new army. and the battle reports get so much of the magazine must be at least 10%.
I quite like reading the standard bearer article, simply because i like to read the opinions of an old wargamer whos clearly been told what subliminal sales jargon he must include in his "ramblings".



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the worst period was when LOTR was introduced.....because you had to put up with all the stupid idiots online and everywhere else complaining that there WD's were filled with LOTR and there was nothing for there precious 40k and the space marines they so love to jack off to.

then you actually count the pages and point out lotr had 2 pages and 40k had maybe half the magazine in the issue they refer to just to shut them the hell up and show them how utterly stupid they are.
 

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All I can say for LOTR's popularity is that when you go to your local store, and they've not even bothered to paint half the box contense for the 'demo game', and they NEVER run a LOTR's battle night... that pretty much sums it up.

But yeah.. after WD 200, it went downhill.. I stopped buying it around WD212.

Edit: They need to bring back some of the specialist games fully. Space Hulk for instance... When the special edition was release my local stores regulars were going nuts over it... but, since its a specialist game, they can't play it in store which is just stupid since its one of the most popular games GW ever did.
 

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Until recently I was a GW staffer and got my WD free... even though it was my job to read it (as well as my passion) it still took an almighty effort to get through the thing, I certainly dont think I had even managed to get all the way through it before it went on general release.
I just think it can be summed up in quarters- first quarter is a sales catalogue, the next 2 quarters are random stuff thats usually not relavent for your game/army (often LoTR/WoTR- just give up guys, no one plays it) and then the last quarter is a nice litte story... I would call it a battle report except its a naritive and the side that wins is either 'decided' beforehand or one of the armylists used is so rubbish as to make the result a certainty anyway.

Now back in mid 90's when I first started collecting the battle reports were great, sure they had less storyline to them but you had little godview diagrams every turn showing the movement, casualities and explosions. I learnt how to play when I was a kid by reading WD, I could see exactly how the players were moving their army and to what purpose, what they shot at and why and if I didnt feel like reading through all the article I could flip through the overheads and understand what happened in a minute or so.

It used to be that WD was people excited by theiur hobby passing on knowledge and thoughts about the hobby... now absolutely every part of the magasine without fail is 'sell, sell, sell'. Sure that helped when I was working and that was my job, but for my hobby it gives me nothing... I doubt it needs to be said but now Im no longer getting a free copy I have no intention of ever reading another WD again.
 

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I agree completely. Recently I have been reading through my old stock (Oldest one is WD144!) and included was a complete set of blueprints for 40K fortifications out of cereal boxes. Although they appear a little small, they are of a much finer quality than the £15 Box full of Jervis' Shit they call a 'Modular Gaming Hill'. Ah, the glory days of WD, when every game had it's own section, and there were such illuminating articles as 'How to start an army (Or sell your soul and buy one!)' and 'Suburban Decay; making Necromunda ruins'. And all it required was :shok: non GW cereal boxes!. Sadly that's all changed now...

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I have WDs from 1980s. Thats right, some of the first.

Imagine how I feel when I look at what things have become :(
 

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my two cents...

i picked up this months' WD [the spearhead one] and yes, the magazine isn't as good as it was when i last read it a decade ago, but then again what is these days?

people on this thread are saying it is nothing more than a glorified catalogue, but so are ALL magazines - empire advertises films, edge advertises games, vogue advertises clothes - the list goes on and on...

and yes, the lack of "hobbyist" articles is a shame, but we have the internet for that now!! for me, this is the single biggest difference between the hobby then and now. way back when, WD was my only window into the hobby, apart from my local GW store - my only chance to see what others were doing with their tiny toy soldiers. now, if i want any advice, inspiration, or just a good laugh, all i have to do is rock a bit of heresy-online, or google search for a conversion idea. the possibilities and information online is endless.

WD dwarf can't compete with that, and nor should it...

i don't want to sound like a grumpy old fart, but don't complain about what's wrong with WD, instead celebrate what's great about the hobby in this internet age of wonders! viva la heresy!!

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Actually if White Dawrf still want to exist, it needs to go back to its roots of writing about the hobby, and put it online for a very small fee. Now you can download articles you want to your hard drive/CD to reveiw at your leasure. Stop the paper of endless prices. GW website does that well enough. Put Hobby Articles and NO SHIT REAL battle reports via online subscription... very, very small price of subscription.
 

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I always loved the citadel journal.. now that was a magazine by hobbyists for hobbyists :p

As for WD, I still subscribe, I'm not ashamed to admit it, I do still like having a thumb through at a quiet moment, most of it is, as said all about the hard sale, but there is quite a lot news, and just recently most of them have at least 2, if not 3 or 4 painting/modelling articles. My opinion is, its better then reading a bloody newspaper, I'm fed up hearing about another war in kerbleckastan or something else that is going to give me cancer.
 

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people on this thread are saying it is nothing more than a glorified catalogue, but so are ALL magazines - empire advertises films, edge advertises games, vogue advertises clothes - the list goes on and on...
Sadly true; an the reason I do not regularly buy magazines.

and yes, the lack of "hobbyist" articles is a shame, but we have the internet for that now!! for me, this is the single biggest difference between the hobby then and now. way back when, WD was my only window into the hobby, apart from my local GW store - my only chance to see what others were doing with their tiny toy soldiers. now, if i want any advice, inspiration, or just a good laugh, all i have to do is rock a bit of heresy-online, or google search for a conversion idea. the possibilities and information online is endless.

WD dwarf can't compete with that, and nor should it...
Trying to compete is the problem with WD; not with other sources but rather with the GW itself.

With the range online (special section for new releases), web access in every store, and a catalogue for sale there is not a huge benefit in getting WD for the pictures of the range.

WD used to be full of articles that were only in WD; now the good ones go up on the website fairly quickly.

WD is lacking the one thing GW could have that no-one else has; greater product knowledge than anyone else; as GW have everything for every combination of rule before anyone else no-one can gain greater opportunity to really explore every tactic and army. WD could be written as a series of articles based on actual playing for the gamers, along with fluff pieces and shiny conversions.
 

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...I'm not ashamed to admit it, I do still like having a thumb through at a quiet moment...My opinion is, its better then reading a bloody newspaper, I'm fed up hearing about another war in kerbleckastan or something else that is going to give me cancer.
true that, sir. if the girlfriend is hogging the laptop, WD does make for excellent bathroom reading! :grin:
 

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I haven't really bought WD in years, not since 2nd ed I think.
In fact the last issue I picked up was the Daemons release one last year, I was shocked at just how much it's changed.
WD used to be full of good stuff, painting, fluff, scenarios and all sort of stuff. Now it's just a smaller version of their catalogue.
I would buy it again if they put something in it of worth, anything would be nice instead of "This is the new invincible -insert name- army, buy its good, buy it it's good, BUY IT BUY IT BUY IT!!!"
 

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I have most wd from about issue 80 or summin and the standard has def gone down (although the last year or so have been better, about two years ago it was at its worst and i stopped buying it at all).

For one thing what the helll happened to all the fluff? Thats was always my 1st reason for buying the thing, the fluff inspired me! Now your lucky to get an fluff about the new realses , let alone all the cool side storys and little excerts that were ALWAYS a feature of white dwarf for nearly 30 years!

Let alone the standard of english that is now in there. Its like the whole of GW is gradually being dumbded down for kids and thickos.
Just am FYI for GW, if any idiot can play the game, its instantly got less fun.

Still, as i said, WD has got BETTER in the last coupleof years, even if they do forget to spellchek alot!lol!
 

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Aquatic_foible your post about how the real hobby related material has moved to the internet was really great. That's definitely the truth, and it's much better, user generated content. It would just be awesome if WD could come down from it's ivory tower and be amongst the hobbyists, making real battle reports and showcasing some kickass conversions. Oh well, they'll never stand up to the quality of HO.
 
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