[the cabbage]

Before I ask the question I feel that I should state that I am not one of the GW hating community. I love the background, fiction, models and history of the 40K universe.

However I have been back in the hobby after a break since WD260 and feel that this months was the worst for a 40K gamer since then. Advertising arguably filled around 25% of the magazine!

I have never previously been so disappointed at the end of a WD.

It's not all bad the mag still looks superb but the content seems to be dripping away. Am I alone in wishing they would return to the good old days where WD was used to publish rules updates for new units and errata.

 

[Grismund]

no not at all im in the same boat i love gw stuff but i want a mag to read not just pritty pics of stuff thats ciomming out or is allready

gris

 

[LongBeard]

Yep not too Impressed either, I can remember getting hold of a copy way back when I was In primary school and the fluff writing alone blew me away and drew me Into the hobby.
I'm sure I read somewhere recently that WD basically admitted their magazine Is now basically an excuse to show off their models and painting skills rather than providing usefull tactics and fluff for the more experienced gamers. It's basically become a marketing tool now to draw In new players, suppose they are a business after all so profit comes first for them.
Like a fool though I'll still keep on buying It, would be a shame to miss an Issue from my collection. :roll:

 

[Fallen Angel]

Vets aren't the market for White Dwarf. Its to draw kiddies in, hence lots of pictures.

 

[Jezlad]

Vets aren't the market for White Dwarf. Its to draw kiddies in, hence lots of pictures.

Never really looked at it that way. Makes perfect sense.

I only ever look at the pictures... :shock:

 

[Grismund]

jez thats cuse your a little kid at hart like most of us

gris

 

[philbrad]

Actually I found the current UK WD the best for several months. I'm not an LoTR or WHFB player but the articles weren't bad.

If you think this issue sucked you should have seen some of the issues over the past 12-18 months.... phew ...

WD is now a marketing tools for GW plain & simple. It screams 'Look at our new cool stuff guys BUY IT!' and the hobby content is weak (I'm being generous here) and its rare there are articles advanced or vet gamers might find interesting.

with 4th ed GW wanted to stop all the add on rules sets and army lists that featured in WD during 3rd ed and before. TBH it's took something from the game for me. I used to enjoy tester army lists and rules, special scenarios etc.. all seem to lacking in 4th ed which has a very sterile way of play to me. Found myself reading the 2nd ed rules and wargear books the other night and thinking how much character the game has lost.

GW used to have an ethos of 'by gamers, for gamers' in this day an age of the multinational GW and multiple worldwide editions of WD I find this ethos has gone the way of the dinosaurs.

PhilB
(HERESY-ONLINE OFFICIAL GRUMPY OLD MAN)
:twisted:

 

[Grismund]

that man has it in one
gris

 

[Patriarch]

I totally agree, actually one the staff members at my local GW quit because he was so annoyed that it wasn't about the hobby anymore, it was about making money. I am totally on his side, a lot of people are realizing this now. I reckon someone should mail GW head office and let them know. Not only will they begin to lose hobbyists if prices continue to rise and the articles they produce (how so very rare they are) continue to draw further away from the point.

They will also lose money which i suppose is bad...

It should be about the hobby and not about the benjamins IMO.

~Nik

 

[Grismund]

uve told them this and my manager and hes like where selling 2twich as much stuff as last year and i seid thats relly not the pont so i gave up

gris

 

[The Wraithlord]

Phil hit the nail on the head. I used to buy every issue of WD without fail because aside from the coming soon section the entire magazine was all about the hobby. Painting tips, modelling/converting tips, awesome fluff articles and best of all, new rules/scenarios to try. I used to really look forward to the new mag.

Now, I take a look at the store copy they have to see if I am at all interested and about half the time, I don't see any reason to pick it up. It is a sad thing.

 

[Kayback]

I've started picking them up at pay per weight stores. True they are about a month behind, but they cost 1/4 the price.

Makes you feel less ripped off.

Very uninpressed with the last couple. They strike me as they are advertising the games too much. We're already interested, we're buying your bloody magazine!

If it isn't the games they are pushing they are filled with "Look at how cool this miniature is" articles. And not converted ones. Off the shelf ones.

BRING BACK SOME ORIGINALITY IN THE MAGAZINE. Battle reports between Marine armoured companies and rogue Imperial Guard armoured forces. You know, off the wall, out of the box. Something not everyone can do at home.

KBK

 

[Grismund]

schock and horror i could do both of them but i amme

gris

 

[pathwinder14]

I am not a GW cronie by any stretch, but have you looked at the current WD lately. They still have tons of modelling and tactics. I hear people complain because they use their own publication to market their products. Is that so bad?? It is THEIR Magazine.

If you look at older issues of WD (199 and below) you'll see they are about 30 pages thinner than current issues. As WD has gotten older it has gotten thicker. Has GW really done anything bad by making the magazine thicker and using those added pages to advertise?

Hare's a link to the GW site with the contents of issue 325 on it.
http://us.games-workshop.com/news/whitedwarf/WD325/WD325.htm
There is a ton of modelling, painting, and tactics in the issue.

Basically WD has more advertisements than yesteryear becasue it's 30 + pages thicker than yesteryear.

 

[Jeridian]

Sorry Pathwinder but Argos use their Catalogues to promote stuff they sell- it's bigger, as far more detail, etc.

Would I pay for it? Hell, no.

Should I pay for a GW Catalogue?

My WD Subscription expired in December and I haven't looked back, not being screwed over is so liberating. And I can look at threads like this not with bitter anger but pity at those who still hold out hope whilst buying the crap.

 

[Galahad]

It's gotten thicker because it has more ads

I don;t know if we have any D&D plyers here, but compare WD to Dragon and weep.

I'm not saying Dragon is always packed to the brim with stuff I use, but it;s always got lots of good articles, interesting (and official) content, new material, fiction comics, a Q&A on rules questions with one of the actual game designers (yes, even if he doesn;t alwys get it right, theyve at least got someone there answering questions in print every month rather than just sying "Roll a die.")

Sure, it;s got ads as well, but not soo many, and usually for some interesting stuff.

Outside of getting to look at upcoming GW swag, WD is of almost no use to me threse dyas, whereas I consider my Draogn collection to be a valuable reference.

 

[Lord Sinkoran]

However I have been back in the hobby after a break since WD260 and feel that this months was the worst for a 40K gamer since then. !

.

I completely agree with you.

There is way to much advertising, too much *shudders* lord of the rings and too much WHFB and not enough 40K its supposed to be a magazine about all the major systems not 80% one 15% another 2.5% the last and 2.5% advertising.

 

[pathwinder14]

I have noticed (as I'm sure you all have) that as new armies are released teh next couple of White Dwarf issues revolve arounds the release. I'll bet we can expect to see a lot of 40K stuff when teh next issue about the Dark Angels comes out.

 

[LongBeard]

I have noticed (as I'm sure you all have) that as new armies are released teh next couple of White Dwarf issues revolve arounds the release.

Taking the 'new' giant as a prime example, that damn model as good as It Is had been making regular appearances for at least the last 4-5 months! :evil:

 

[Elchimpster]

As an aside, that Giant model is frigging awesome. From the way they designed it (via computer) to the way it is assembled and all the extra goodies and bitz.

I'll certainly be glad when the LotR stuff is gone. I don't know how GW makes a dime off of it (hence all the advert/ pimping of LotR in WD). The license has got to be hanging around their heads like a massive weight.