[gothik]

ok this is a get to know your favourite primarchs sort of thing. if every one is game anyway, i would like to know who your 4 favourite primarchs are and why and also if BL were to write anymore onthem the HH aside how you would like to see them characterised. 2 loyalist primarchs and 2 heretic primarchs.

my fav are as follows.

1. Lorgar cos there is nothing better then a 40k(or 30K take your pick) version of a Thomas de Torquemanda running around causing mayhem where ever he may roam and it makes sense for one of the traitors to be religious fanatics, who better then the Word Bearers.

i know First Heretic will propably approach this and having read a sneak preview it might be a bit pointless in Lorgars point but i would hope it goes into why Lorgar is such a zealot and should he ever step out from the bowels of Siccarus i would like to see how he would lead a leigon that seems to be divided between Kor Phaeron and Erebus (anthony reynolds depictions anyway)

2. Konrad Curze, why? well i think that he is the most often miunderstood and becasue he had no social graces and only knew how to deal with fear it was only natural that his legion would follow plus i didn't like how Dorn made him out to be such a bastard or how fulgrim betrayed him to the others when he needed a confidant.

i would lke to see a novel that is based around his life on Nostramo prior to the Emperors arrival, maybe get a better feel for the guy really and see if he really was this violent madman they all say he is...which i doubt but hey ho and maybe clear up the mystery of is he or is he not dead seeing as there are camps for both sides.

3. Corax well i guess thats easy enough my own personal beliefs symbolise a raven and any guy who quotes nevermore before he leaves is an a 1 guy, seriously again like Curze not a lot is known about Corax and its that mystery that kinda draws me to him and his angst at the near decimation of not just his leigon but the Salamanders and Iron Hands too. i guess the biggest bit is his failure to rebuild his leigon after the betrayal or his perception of it.

i'd like to see that story told as well as his early days on Delieverance. how he struggeled to build a better life for his adopted world.

4. Russ come on i love wolves, i own a german shepherd of which the ex has joint custody and trust me doggy howls like a wolf when she wants too.(german shepherd not the ex) they are savage and yet they are noble, they stick to the rules of the imperium whilst flipping the bird at Gullimans rules , they are the true babarians of the imperium and yet they are the nobelist thier honour makes the Vikings from whch i suspect they are based around look like wusses.

Russ's early life, how he came to be raised by a she wolf that in itself is a saga worthy of the bards,

so whats yours.

 

[ckcrawford]

Sadly, at least for right now I will hold off on the mighty Perturabo until his story is out. But for now these are my top four.

1. Horus Lupercal: Obviously the greatest of the Primarchs. His accomplishments during the crusade were next to none. I actually also believe he was the hardest primarch to corrupt. However this is only my opinion. I believe it was when Horus saw that a few of the Primarchs including himself were not appreciated that it finally turned all his doubts into what he thought was a reality.

2. Rogal Dorn: Dorn is described in the Heresy as being a true brother, and is known for always speaking the truth. In Horus Rising he is the next battle primarch with the best recorded victories. Since this text is written by the best author and in context of the best legion then I will take this fact into account before others like the Guilliman and the Lion who were also described as being second in line.

3. Logar: I really like how The First Heretic will bring some new light into the heresy. At least to me, Logar seems to be a primarch who had his own light during the Great Crusade and perhaps even greater than any primarch in certain aspects. Besides for obtaining many victories, him and his legion were able to create the most loyal worlds in the Imperium. It makes you think that perhaps Logar was chosen to be the first hand to join chaos for a reason than simply being disowned by the Emperor. Would any other primarch been able to create the heresy at such a magnitude that Logar did? Having a primarch like Logar, with his armies, and worlds so devoted to the Emperor, chaos could not have triumphed to the extent it did. Funny, a couple years ago I would have regarded Logar as being one of my top 4 worse primarchs.

4. Roboute Guilliman: Pre-Heresy, I would say he was one of the top four primarchs. The worlds and system he created along with the size of his legion. Can I really say more? In my opinion one of my favorite things about Guilliman was that he got the concept of having militarized worlds and systems along with having a large legion. I just think that besides for Logar, other legions didn't really care for this.

Though these are my opinion for the best primarchs I would also say that this would run for my favorite as well.

 

[Bane_of_Kings]

Okay, here's mine:

1. Sanguinius - Having been a Blood Angels player at one point, he's one of my favourite Primarchs. I mean, he's got wings, and has been quoted by Horus (In one of the Heresy books, methinks), that Sanguinius should've been the Warmaster rather than Horus.

2. Russ - Sure, according to A Thousand Sons, Russ is portrayed as a jerk. However, I'm sure that Prospero Burns will portray him in a greater personality. Also, I'm a big fan of the space puppies.

3. Dorn - Because he's the Primarch of my current Army, the Crimson Fists, and is the creater of unbreakable fortresses (I mean, he was set about to create the fortress of Terra).

4. Horus - Because he's well, in the first two books more likeable than before he turned Traitor, and before he turned he was one of the greatest that the Imperium had to offer.

 

[Dutch master 3000]

2. Rogal Dorn: Dorn is described in the Heresy as being a true brother, and is known for always speaking the truth. In Horus Rising he is the next battle primarch with the best recorded victories. Since this text is written by the best author and in context of the best legion then I will take this fact into account before others like the Guilliman and the Lion who were also described as being second in line.

are you kidding me!?!

 

[Child-of-the-Emperor]

3. Logar: I really like how The First Heretic will bring some new light into the heresy. At least to me, Logar seems to be a primarch who had his own light during the Great Crusade and perhaps even greater than any primarch in certain aspects. Besides for obtaining many victories, him and his legion were able to create the most loyal worlds in the Imperium. It makes you think that perhaps Logar was chosen to be the first hand to join chaos for a reason than simply being disowned by the Emperor. Would any other primarch been able to create the heresy at such a magnitude that Logar did? Having a primarch like Logar, with his armies, and worlds so devoted to the Emperor, chaos could not have triumphed to the extent it did. Funny, a couple years ago I would have regarded Logar as being one of my top 4 worse primarchs.

The First Heretic really sheds light on Lorgar's character, and at least for me shatters the old stereotype of him simply being a religious zealot/nutter. He comes across as a wise philosopher, seeking to illuminate humanity, and in many ways he did.

4. Roboute Guilliman... along with the size of his legion.

Ah, but where did all those recruits for the Ultramarines come from?

 

[MuSigma]

Top 4

1. Alpharious seems the one of the only truly intelligent Primarch I have read about so far (just started 1000 sons so a bit behind).

2. Leman Russ the great warrior fighter.

3. Sanguinius the winged angel with all the asumptions of angelic dignity that goes with it, the purest of the pure (although his legion has a vampire curse and the SW's have a werewolf curse go figure).

4. Magnus the dabbler with warp magic and philospher seen as a dabbler in chaos and branded as the cause of the heresy when it was Lorgar the looney who started it because he needed a god to worship after the Emperor rejected him.

5. Jonson honorary mention - seems highly intelligent and excellent strategist, after winning the battle against Luna Wolves he hands his position to another Primarch (wont name cos of spoiler info) which shows he is not so clever.

Second Honorary mention Lorgar, and Fulgrim even more so - the most odious creeps and idiots along side Horus who make my teeth itch. For all their brilliance and many superb gifts and skills seem to have an inate skill of screwing things up and at the one point you would have liked them to not do so, and in doing so make Orcs look cunning and knowledgeable.

It seems charactors in tense fiction have a powerful moment when they are tested under pressure, the good ones would rather die than screw up and do so, the best would also rather die than screw up but win through against difficult odds, then there are the Horus's of this world - pathetic. (spits on floor disgustingly). Of all the Primarchs he had he most reason to be the best, the most loyal, didnt even put up a fight. Even Fulgrim has a moment when his dim recesses finally realise what a mistake he has made, and yet Horus has his fans the poster boy of chaos - a total worthless pathetic charactor without an ounce of true heroic courage in his body.

 

[gothik]

nice readng here if i had to ad 1 more it would be pertutabo cos he always seems to in the shadow of Dorn and thats not right as in his own right Perturabo is a siege master and was basically used to that extent whilst the others went of and got the glory, no wonder he got pissed off

 

[ckcrawford]

are you kidding me!?!

I don't understand this post. Therefore I cannot reply.

Ah, but where did all those recruits for the Ultramarines come from?

Didn't they come from Ultramar? The way the Ultramarines were able to create a great system along with a legion more militarized than most has prevented me from jumping into the ultrasmurff hating band wagon. But not going to lie books like The Chapters Due, brings me about ten paces closer to that band wagon.

nice readng here if i had to ad 1 more it would be pertutabo cos he always seems to in the shadow of Dorn and thats not right as in his own right Perturabo is a siege master and was basically used to that extent whilst the others went of and got the glory, no wonder he got pissed off

I do regard the Iron Warriors to be my favorite legion. However, I feel it would be wrong of me to just state a favorite legion and/or primarch with little reason and disregard to others.


Edit: Oh snap! I just read CotE's little spoiler in another thread. Hahaha, okay disregard that answer of Ultramar. Or at least not entirely.

 

[pb100]

1) I would have to go with Fulgrim as my number one pick. An artists/warriors who pushes towards perfection in everything he does is something I find very captivating. That, and the arrogance and pomp of Fulgrim and his legion.

2) Magnus the Red is another top pick. His obsession with archaic knowledge is really cool. Not to mention it's a nice departure from the usually M.O. some of the other Primarchs have. Magnus learns about a culture before he destroys it.

3)Konrad Cruz. He and his legion don' get enough face time. They have one of the most interesting backgrounds, and just simply don't get enough time in the spotlight. They are EXTREMELY overdue for a full length HH book.

4) Horus Lupercal is easily one of the most interesting primarchs. Partially due to the fact most of the Hersey revolves around him. Aside from that he, IMO, is one of the most human primarchs. He has many of the same doubts and issues we all have. He wants to please his father and is afraid of failing.

 

[sethgabriel1990]

nice readng here if i had to ad 1 more it would be pertutabo cos he always seems to in the shadow of Dorn and thats not right as in his own right Perturabo is a siege master and was basically used to that extent whilst the others went of and got the glory, no wonder he got pissed off

Yeah i agree with this, so yeah perturabo. Also alpharius, never really knew much about him, would be cool to shed some light. Im gonna say russ and corax, cos i just love the wolves and what they stand for, and corax because he seems to me all mysterious and dark, plus i like raven guard and their mk6 armour! There you go! Thats my 2 cents. (plus mortarion, dont know why)

 

[gothik]

Yeah i agree with this, so yeah perturabo. Also alpharius, never really knew much about him, would be cool to shed some light. Im gonna say russ and corax, cos i just love the wolves and what they stand for, and corax because he seems to me all mysterious and dark, plus i like raven guard and their mk6 armour! There you go! Thats my 2 cents. (plus mortarion, dont know why)

seeing as he was a twin it makes sense that one of them are still about and the alpha leigon are the Emperors self styled men in black fox mulder eat your heart out

 

[ssamoel]

All of mine are pre-heresy:

Angron: He is a real badass! This doesn't need anymore explanation.
Althrough I hate the fact he killed his own sons on Isstavan 4 withput any mercyXD

The lion: He's a real example of a good warrior. And a good friend. He will always help you when you need advice.

Russ: I like wolves. And I like the World eaters. And I like Russ. He's the little brother of Angron from my perspective. He also kills anything in his way (including the thousand sons). And has a nice coat!

That dude from the Thousand sons: I feel they were betrayed. And that's the reason that they went into a heresy. So they earn my respect.

 

[sethgabriel1990]

is one alive? is it alpharius or omegon?

 

[NiceGuyEddy]

The First Heretic really sheds light on Lorgar's character, and at least for me shatters the old stereotype of him simply being a religious zealot/nutter. He comes across as a wise philosopher, seeking to illuminate humanity, and in many ways he did.



Ah, but where did all those recruits for the Ultramarines come from?

How have you read The First Heretic? It's not out yet.

 

[ckcrawford]

is one alive? is it alpharius or omegon?

Omegon is supposidly still at large, if you believe that Alpharius is killed though. In my opinion, I think Alpharius is still at large too.

 

[sethgabriel1990]

it would be cool if they were both knocking around wreaking havoc

 

[Angel of Blood]

Both could still be around, one may still be kicking or they might both be dead. The only account we have of them is the battle with the Ultramarines, the details of which were given by an Inquisitor who has since been revealed to be a member of the Alpha Legion anyway. I like to think both are alive, either way we need another book on them!

 

[Child-of-the-Emperor]

How have you read The First Heretic? It's not out yet.

If we pre-order directly off the BL website when it becomes available we can get it weeks in advance (at least in the UK we can).

And it was also available to buy from Games Day UK over a week ago.

Check out the BL section of Heresy, reviews and discussion about it commence there.

 

[Angel of Blood]

If we pre-order directly off the BL website when it becomes available we can get it weeks in advance (at least in the UK we can)

Really?? how do i not know that. So if i had pre-ordered it sooner i could have had it by now??? arghhhhhhhh

 

[sethgabriel1990]

haha one of life's great annoyances eh angel of blood?