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Just a quick point here guys, Lots of you have said stuff like play for fun, or the way the game is supposed to be played etc... however to be fair who are you to dicate jacks hobby to him? so you guys like to play "for fun". not everyone does.

I'll use jezlad as an example. He plays competatively, with every game he does. He wants to win, and when we play he expects me to build the most powerful army i can and try to destroy him. Thats his hobby.

Now while i agree that its not just the army that dicates who wins but also what you do with it, saying stuff like Get a brain, or use tactics isn't really that helpful for him either is it? Also we can try to say that all armies are equal, but that simply isn't true. i think any army used right can compete, you need certain aspects for that elements in the army to do well.

If you have tricks you have that help you deal with uber units, then why not share? try to go into as much detail as possible so he can understand how he can use that in his games.

So some questions i think will help?

What do you like your armies to have?
how many points do you want to build?
what are your favourite models?
 

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Jigplums your right, but all I've been saying is: Pick an army you like and try to counter those lists with that army, it's only a matter of time before you've learned how to counter and beat them, and after you beat them they'll try other lists to beat you, so pick an army you like, doesn't matter if you like it fluffwise,gamewise or modelwise and then find a way to counter them. One thing you have to remember too, don't expect to win all the time, the dice dictate anyways.
 

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Jigplums is right, but posting asking people to write you broken lists, or asking what the most powerful army is doesnt make much sense, even if most or some of us "play for fun" We cant tell him the most powerful army, a lot of people would say wood elves or ogres are weakest, but my friends wood elves roll me on a regular basis. The game is decided partly by skill, army, and army build and set up. But always by dice. So I am with The-graven on this one, pick an army you like, for whatever reason you like, and develop tactics and ideas on how to win. Dont just go from army to army because you think their an assured win. Because there will always be somone better than you, and you might get beaten with an army you consider crap. So pick an army, and learn to play it well, and you can beat anyone regardless of the army they chose.
 

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I've chosen demons but I've no idea how to counter any of his units
Which is actually a lie. There are plenty of ways to counter units, especially those as lopsided and gimped as the ones you've described.
 

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Could you tell me how
Lets use the Chaos Knights as an example, that large a unit is easily redirected by bait-and-flee tactics, and is quite vulnerable to the right shooting and spells. Cannons and bolt throwers will eat through that unit like nothing, and the Lore of Metal could easily kill 6-7 of those with a single spell. Seeing as how they'd have the numbers you posted, the warriors would have practically nothing else other than that unit, and you could redirect everything that is not geared to kill them against other stuff.
 

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I may have missed something here, but I'm under the impression that the chaos army he's winging about has one large unit of knights, one large unit of warriors and a general.

I'd just like to say that if this is the case the army is illegal as it has to contain a minimum of three units plus the General.

Even then, just use a Daemon unit as a speedbump by forcing him to charge you (if memory serves they no longer have instability, but even if they do it isn't that much of a problem), then in your turn flank him with another ranked up unit. You win on combat res (3 ranks, banner, kills to his banner and kills; though throwing a character into one of these units will help no end), and he isn't stubborn. Repeat on his warriors. Done.

Throw lots of magic at the unit as Masked Jackal said (the right spell such as lore of metal or a big "characteristic test or die" spell that targets everyone in the unit will do serious damage and are quite easy to come by. I don't know what lores Daemons can use but you can undoubtedly do some serious damage if you look hard enough.
 

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He has several large units of warriors and kairos fateweaver
No he doesnt. WoC and DoC are different armies and cannot be played in 1 army unless its as part of a doubles game.
Anyway, if he did take kairos just take a KoS/HoS with siren song and laugh as one of the worst combat units in the game is forced to charge you (although kairos now gets a thunderstomp... so not as bad as he was).
 

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If your mate is smashing you week after week with the same cheesy list. Tell him to stop, if he doesn't then I would stop playing him. It shouldn't come to the point where you are both of you are trying to find the cheesiest combo's to beat each other. That just makes the whole game a lot more competitive and cut throat, could lead to arguments etc..

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No he doesnt. WoC and DoC are different armies and cannot be played in 1 army unless its as part of a doubles game.
Anyway, if he did take kairos just take a KoS/HoS with siren song and laugh as one of the worst combat units in the game is forced to charge you (although kairos now gets a thunderstomp... so not as bad as he was).
T/S I think he meant his opponent has a big unit of warriors and his own(jacks) Kairos can only take two lores, not that his opponent is using an WoC+DoC mix.
 

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Then what army should I start I don't care about the look or feel of the army as long as it isn't horde (they take ages to pack away) I just want an incredibly broken list
If I can stop enemy magic and shoot them to bits then I guess I might start dwarves does anyone have any broken armylists for dwarfs against 1+ and 3+ armour chaos
I rarel paint rob1981 except for my necrons but I plan on painting everything as I get it with my new army
everyone I play with has a broken list (archaon and 30/40 chaos knights in 3k and kurt helborg AND karl franz in the same unit of inner circle knights) I never stand a chance against them but I want that to change
how bent is the dwarf king and what does he do
I won't be able to cheese out on my lizardmen as I am selling them along with my wood elves so i can have money to start dwarves and emperrors children for 40k
I don't want to buy dwarves till I see a broken thorgrim grudgbearer list so I know what to buy
He generates extra dice that's broken I might take him and blue scribes
Please, for everyone's sanity please stop saying "broken". "Broken" implies some kind of rediculous advantage or rules abuse that comes from poor writing or some such. Activley seeking out "broken" things makes you sound like an arsehole.

Instead, use other words like "competative", "good" and "the muts nuts" among others. These words have the meaning it seems you are trying to convey.
 

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Which is actually a lie. There are plenty of ways to counter units, especially those as lopsided and gimped as the ones you've described.
he said he doesn't know how to counter the units. Can you please read the post your going to reply too first.

You still haven't explained how. You said you can bait them, but not explained how he should do it. Then listed things that are not in the army he's chosen and said how easily that would deal with it.

It would be a lot more useful for jack if you told him how you would do it with a daemons of chaos army, what units you would use and how you would set it up.
if you dont know daemons that well then maybe the same thing but how you would do the same tactic with your army, excluding wherever possible things that his DOC cannot possibly replicate, i.e. cannons and bolt throwers
 

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Please, for everyone's sanity please stop saying "broken". "Broken" implies some kind of rediculous advantage or rules abuse that comes from poor writing or some such. Activley seeking out "broken" things makes you sound like an arsehole.

Instead, use other words like "competative", "good" and "the muts nuts" among others. These words have the meaning it seems you are trying to convey.
I agree with calamari, use these words, you look nicer that way, though I still don't know what "the muts nuts" is.
 
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