What's the best army in 8th ed

Masked Jackal said:

I'm not sure about Kurt Helborg and Karl Franz, as no-one here plays Empire...

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Ouch!
I know I don't reply that much but that hurts :scratchhead:

Now countering KF and KH in a unit of IC knights is quite easy you know. All Empire special characters have very weak defences. Kurt Helborg only has a 2+ as while KF has a 2+ as, 4+ ws and with magic resistance a 2+ ws on magic. The magic resistance also transfers a 4+ ws to the rest of the unit. So granted that you won't kill them easily by magic but the other defences are easy to overcome.
The best way to counter both heroes and the unit of IC knights is purely by ranks and volume of attacks. The unit usually isn't steadfast and therefore has no stubborn making the unit vulnerable to break from combat. Also after the initial impact is absorbed, knights are generally good for only 1 turn, you should be able to wear them down and kill the unit eventually. All you need is a horde of stubborn or unbreakable infantry with a character that can dish out the pain in challenges.

Good luck!

Yilmar " the one that plays Empire " :grin:

I understand you play Lizardmen? If you already have those, you could cheeze them out... 2 units of 3 salamanders will usually be horrendously powerfull against the Empire. Add to that a slann with Ruminations of Focus, Cupped hands, plaque of Tepok (+1 spell) with lore of Metal and you'll devastate his knights and (if there is one) Steam tank. Finally, take some terradons accompanied by a skink chief on terradon with Mask of EEE! to give the unit terror) and go warmachine hunting (add 2 units of chameleon skinks and you wont fear cannons anymore!). Finally, add blocks of 6x4 saurus with HW&S (very resistant blocks of troops that can be buffed by Enchanted Blades of Aiban). Final Transmutation can hurt all big units also.

That should also work well against a chaos list that's heavy with Chaos knights and WoC.

Phil

First of all as has been repeated jack you seem like a "I must win" tool, my advice is get a brain and some tactical ability and games will start to go right for you. If your current list cant counter it change your list slightly look for weaknesses in their list and match them to the strengths in yours, not throw a pissfit and say dont want to play with these shitty models anymore.

Vampire counts are still a horribly difficult army, with nasty nasty vampires easily renewing there unbreakable units due to the new casting system. Generally they are still nasty, though the limit on lords and charactors makes them far less difficult than they were however roll on huge huge ranks of zombies and ethereal units in the flanks.

Dwarves are tough too as artillery is now horrible, stone throwers and peasants in my brett lists, shit i feel sick just thinking about it. Unfortunately i think im just going to have to loose and stick with my large armounts of knights, at least they look pretty.

I'm gonna do demons
here's an idea for a 3k list
keeper of secrets lvl 4 100 pts of gifts (dunno what to give it)
2 heralds of slaanesh maxed out and 1 on a seeker
skulltaker
30 demonettes with siren standard
30 demonettes
30 bloodletters with endless war standard
6 seekers
6 flamers

what do you think
if anyone knows what to give my KoS please tell and say what the gifts do I don't have an armybook yet I was just lookin through the stores copy today

o.k so you'll be selling off all your old models to buy a new army that you think will defeat everything. but what happens when that army fails your expectations? Logic dictates that it would just be cheaper to find a way to win with the army you have instead of starting a new one everytime you lose.
example: I started playing nurgle themed warriors of chaos army, and had a TON of losses while learning how my army worked, and how to actually win with my army. Archeon Can be beaten...I did it in a challenge with a simple nurgle lord. never fought Franz but I beat Kurt with the same Lord, if those guys keep popping up, have a strat to beat em down. no army out there will win just by showing up,find what your army does well and focus on that, then find out what your army sucks at and figure out a strat to compensate. example, my army is very infantry heavy, the units are meat grinders with legs, downsides are they have no ranged support are expensive and slow moving. solutions: grabbed a nurgle sorc to help wittle down enemy units as I advanced, got a nice banner to keep my front line from scattering, gave the large units mark of nurgle to protect from missle fire, and screened with chaos hounds, also added some cav to help the flanks. result: very nice list that my rivals like to play against, that does'nt rely on cheesey combos to win, just a solid plan and an understanding of what my army can and can't do. do I win everytime? hell no, but winning everytime is'nt that fun.We have an undefeated empire player in the club, he seems kinda bored and WANTS to be beaten(of course he ain't gonna just let ya do it), but it's still a blast to play against him(pun intended). bottom line, if you ain't having fun...take a stepback and see why. then come up with your solution.
anyway that's my two cents.