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Much of the backround of the 40k sugests that the imperium is slowly but surely dieing. Worlds are regularly sacrificed and troops sent off to die to slow this eventuality.

If you ran the imperium? Through being the second Regent after malcador the sigilite or a high lord. What would you change? What other ideas could you implement to change this future? How could you save us?

Personally im thinking consolidate resources to a smaller zone maybe just a few key systems barricade them to hell then and only then try to gain more worlds. But this seems to be a plan based on luck and a lot of sacrifce . Then there would be little chance that any of the groups would agee or be willing to do any of this. And if they did would resources be enough to survive? To survive this galactical seige?
 

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Remove all noble governors from all planets, executing them,their families, seizing their possessions for the war efforts and replace them with Schola Progenium candidates.

Introducing strict meritocracy for all leadership roles in every institution.

Reduce Ecclesiarchy power.

Giving the Mechanicum a good kicking in their metal rear forcing them to be less ignorant and more obedient.

Better discipline for the guard, meaning no more honor related bullshit. Regiments not cooperating together efficiently will face harsh commissariat retaliation.

Same for the navy. Rivalries, honor duels...you get the commissar bullet.

No more Space Marine dickery tolerance. You refuse orders, you get your genetically enhanced ass chewed by the wolves or the minotaurs.
Introducing commissars in the administratum. No more useless bureocratic bullshit, unless you want to die.


I'll think of more.
 

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Disclaimer, not necessarily the best tactical course of action due to terrible tack records.
 

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Give the mechanicum a good kicking.... invent better weapons or die. And give me more titans and fix those sodding thunderhawks.

Direct the tyrannids towards others. Let them kill or weaken the enemies then move in.

Guard and Navy reform to make them better.... as said previously commissar bullets of any bureaucratic bs.

All and I mean all leaders are based on merit and those found to be unworthy have all there possessions stripped and are assigned to penal battalions.

Rip up the codex... let marine chapters grow as large as possible...... chaplaincy to be supplemented by yet more chaplains (1 in 5 to be a chaplain)

Go back to the emperors teachings.... there are no gods not even him..... non-compliance results in swift retribution.

Bitch slap the Lion into waking up. Find Corax, Russ and Vulkan. Get the harliquins to find the Kahn. Find a way of healing Guilliman up. Oh and yes with the new and improved mechanicum fix the emperors throne and wake him back up.
 

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What would you change?
Nothing much. The Imperium isn't going anywhere soon (unless the Golden Throne fails but there's not much that can be done about that) and has held the various forces that assault it at bay for about 4000 years, longer than any other empire I can think of. Drastic changes now would simply result in infighting and the Imperium falling apart much faster.

Personally im thinking consolidate resources to a smaller zone maybe just a few key systems barricade them to hell then and only then try to gain more worlds.
So your plan is a massive retreat, followed by a bloody attempt to retake the worlds you just abandoned? Doesn't make much sense to me.

And once you start falling back, you don't stop. You buy time initially but then your enemies catch up, all the stronger for the territory you've given them.

Remove all noble governors from all planets, executing them,their families, seizing their possessions for the war efforts and replace them with Schola Progenium candidates.
Why? Most planets are run quite well by the individuals who's families have hundreds of years experience with their governance. The Schola Progenium doesn't train people to lead, it trains them to follow.

Better discipline for the guard, meaning no more honor related bullshit. Regiments not cooperating together efficiently will face harsh commissariat retaliation.

Same for the navy. Rivalries, honor duels...you get the commissar bullet.
This is going to result in a lot of deaths. It will also result in the reduced effectiveness of many regiments, as you're effectively trying to cut out an important part of their culture. And it will, ultimately, fail to provide any useful changes and may result in rebellion.

No more Space Marine dickery tolerance. You refuse orders, you get your genetically enhanced ass chewed by the wolves or the minotaurs.
The Wolves and the Minotaurs are but two Chapters, they lack the numbers (or even the ability) to deal with multiple Chapters. Further, if you treat "dickery" as equivalent to heresy, you simply make the chapters you push more likely to fall to heresy (look at the Soul Drinkers for example).

Direct the tyrannids towards others. Let them kill or weaken the enemies then move in.
Directing the Tyranids is difficult at best, if not impossible. It's also worth noting that the Tyranids grow stronger with every victory, at some point you are going to have to deal with the swarm and you aren't going to want it to be more powerful.

Rip up the codex... let marine chapters grow as large as possible ...... chaplaincy to be supplemented by yet more chaplains (1 in 5 to be a chaplain)
The Chapter reform is a very good idea considering the possibility of Chapters going rogue. Chaplains don't reduce this risk much, as Chaplains are still recruited from the same native culture, and it is often this culture that causes the problems (the Sons of Malice for example).

Go back to the emperors teachings.... there are no gods not even him..... non-compliance results in swift retribution.
This is not a good idea, aside from being impossible. Disbanding a galaxy of faith is a very tall order, and since all of your soldiers will be part of that faith, there really isn't a starting ground. These days there are many worlds that are held in compliance purely through their faith in the God-Emperor, and many more which would rebel if that faith was declared illegal and punishable by death.

Bitch slap the Lion into waking up. Find Corax, Russ and Vulkan. Get the harliquins to find the Kahn. Find a way of healing Guilliman up. Oh and yes with the new and improved mechanicum fix the emperors throne and wake him back up.
These ideas just aren't possible. No one but the Watchers (who aren't human) know the Lion is alive. Corax, Russ and Vulkan are as likely to be dead as alive and buried deep into the Eye if they do live. Guilliman's dead. The Golden Throne was always beyond the ability of the Mechanicus to work on, that won't change just because you tell them to progress more.
 

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I think the mechanicus have a lot to answer for, I've seen it written and also with the skitari etc that they can equip the guard better. They're being idiots with so few forge worlds that can make big bad arse stuff. In one of Cains books it is said that an old battleship is much more capable then what they have 'now'. I can go on but basically 'have a word' with the mechanicus

Get the imperium a better database and way of dealing with the info that they have, it's all too convoluted and mucked up. 10 years is too long for a response for aide as is often the case

Also make the different systems work better together, maybe subsidise transport between systems with Imperial Navy patrols or something

Remove the limit of 1000 on SM chapters (however it is normally easier to replace a chapter then re-equip one that's been decimated)
 

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IMO, almost all the failings of the Imperium can be fixed if the mechanicum moved away from trying to recover old technology but instead innovate and invent, it's currently simply mired in the past.
once that's done everything that can be fixed, will to a large extent be fixed.
 

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Even if they do decide to invent/innovate, the Imperium is so large, communication between the millions of worlds is slow and unreliable, and the empire is raided constantly by cults, xenos and heretics so even when new things are invented, they rarely if ever enter mainstream Imperial society.
 

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Oh, I forgot:

Instead of spending trillions of resources in tanks, Las guns, mortars, let's just build some small nukes and some reliable delivery system.
 

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i fake my own death in a "heroic battle" then put some cyborg on a life support system that everyone thought was me and have it make odd cryptic gestures now and then that my flunkies would interpret in a 1000 different ways and have them run things.

Kick back, enjoy the fun.
 

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Even if they do decide to invent/innovate, the Imperium is so large, communication between the millions of worlds is slow and unreliable, and the empire is raided constantly by cults, xenos and heretics so even when new things are invented, they rarely if ever enter mainstream Imperial society.
All you need is a handful of planets that are actually innovating, then given about 50 years, it will naturally disseminate into the rest of the Imperium, the reason why the Mechanicum zealously protects knowledge, is because they dont make their own innovations, they are tied to the past, they hoard their relics, but knowledge became something to pursue, then they would to a greater extent unshackle science, due to the fact they can hoard the past, but the future remains.......full of promise.
 

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To be fair, the Mechanicus have good reason to be so technologically conservative.

Consider the origins of the organisation. On a macro level humanity is entering its darkest age. As worlds are lost the knoweldge they hold is also lost, never to be regained. The promise of technology has betrayed you as the Men of Iron rise up and try and destroy you. Technology is no longer the solution to a promising future, rather it's something to fear.

On the micro level Mars itself is failing. Your colony is in civil war and the life sustaining devices on the planet are failing. The Sol system is in chaos and sinking to barbarity. Your leaders, visionaries and scholars are dead.

In this climate of fear and uncertainty the Mechanicum is born. From first hand experience they learn not to trust technology, to be skeptical and thoroughly investigate it. They come to think that perhaps it was all their fault, that the men of iron turned against them due to poor treatment, this slowly turns into the veneration of all technology. They're desperate to prevent a repeat of their near extinction. They're too busy trying to survive and preserve what they have to invent new technology.

As to the op.

It's a tough question as you're really actually quite limited in what you can achieve thanks to the sheer size of the Imperium. Any form of institutional reform as Romanov77 is proposing would be nigh impossible to achieve. These are institutions that are immensely powerful with 10,000 years of history, influence and tradition. I don't see how you can overturn that.

I'd be praying for a primach to return. If one did i'd then have a new Space Marine founding, as many chapters as i could. These would be placed under the command of the primarch and have the responsibility of dealing with major threats to humanity in turn.

This would keep the Imperium's defences as they are whilst providing it with a strategic reserve and offensive force. There's this new hostile empire called the Tau? The primarch goes on crusade to deal with them. Hive Fleet Leviathan bearing down on Segmentum Solar? Off goes the Primarch. They'd be used like the legions were in the Great Crusade.

Failing a primarch's return i might still do the founding. The problem would be finding someone you can trust enough to place in charge. I'm thinking Marneus Calgar would be a good bet. He's unquestionably loyal and commands a good deal of respect and good will.
 

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Eliminate all Ordos except the Inquisition. Mechanicus and Ecclesiarch would be the first to go. From there I would start a massive galaxy wide search for SCT and bring all technology up to date. Then I would start cloning massive amounts of Astarte's gene-seeds.

Rebuild the Space Marines, grow the Guard, and try and bring everything under my heel.
 

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These are institutions that are immensely powerful with 10,000 years of history, influence and tradition
So did many nations Rems, and yet they all Fall. Egypt fell, Rome was brought to heel, Holy Roman Empire was crushed, the naval empire of Great Britain. It all comes crashing down with enough skill, purpose, and a bit of luck.

So yes I disagree. These organizations can be brought down, or at least to heel. The Emporer did it....I'm sure there are others just as good as him who can.
 

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-Create successors from the geneseed of the Angry Marines. Send them at threats, watch threats go away.
-Have the magi on every Forge World ever get together and create a bioweapon from the gene from Astartes-pattern baldness and infect the Eldar with it. The Eldar will be rendered so bald and foolish as to be ineffective.
-Build a giant tower meant to resemble a middle finger and put a macro cannon on it. Stick wheels on it and order Creed to infiltrate it into the Eye of Terror.
-Tell the Fabricator General to come up with a new Titan, bigger than an Imperator, designed in my image because I'm so great. If he refuses, sic Angry Marines on him.
-Harness the power of Bald.
-Reclaim the lost 100 Baneblades.
-Propose new psycho-indoctrination to various Chapter Masters compelling Space Marines to facepalm in disgust every time they hear anything about Chaos. This should prevent Spess Mehreens from falling to Chaos since its appeal would be reduced to that of a 13 year old on an internet forum.
-Commission the biggest hat and the largest pauldrons in the Imperium so everyone can know who is in charge. I don't care if I can't wear them.
-In the event that all of this fails, commission all the worlds that can to mass-produce amasec, vox recordings of ancient terran hits, and disco balls. If the Imperium falls, we will make sure there will be only party.

Remember, only the insane have strength enough to prosper; only those who prosper may truly judge what is sane.
 

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Eliminate all Ordos except the Inquisition. Mechanicus and Ecclesiarch would be the first to go. From there I would start a massive galaxy wide search for SCT and bring all technology up to date. Then I would start cloning massive amounts of Astarte's gene-seeds.

Rebuild the Space Marines, grow the Guard, and try and bring everything under my heel.
How exactly as a a high lord or regent of terra are you going to achieve this?

You try and get rid of the Ecclessiarchy and the Mechanicus and they will declare war on you, taking a sizeable portion of the Imperium with them. Hell you take away the Mechanicus and suddenly you don't have any infrastructure capability. You won't have guns or the ammo to fire them.

You're trying to remove the two most powerful, and critical, institutions of the Imperium. That's not going to work. You can't just wave your hands or issue an edict and they disappear. For starters they have their respective High Lords as well. You'd start a civil war and destroy the Imperium.

As an aside Ordo's are what make up 'The Inquisition'. You have the Ordo Hereticus, Malleaus and Xenos etc So i'm not sure what you mean by that.

So did many nations Rems, and yet they all Fall. Egypt fell, Rome was brought to heel, Holy Roman Empire was crushed, the naval empire of Great Britain. It all comes crashing down with enough skill, purpose, and a bit of luck.

So yes I disagree. These organizations can be brought down, or at least to heel. The Emporer did it....I'm sure there are others just as good as him who can.
I don't know of any nations or empires that existed for 10,000 years. The Imperium and its institutions are the longest lasting, most successful human regimes established. One high lord/regent is not going to bring it down.
 

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Virus Bomb everything not completely controlled by the Imperium and build a bomb the size of the Imperial Palace and ram that bitch into the Eye of Terror then dust my hands off.
 

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I don't know of any nations or empires that existed for 10,000 years. The Imperium and its institutions are the longest lasting, most successful human regimes established. One high lord/regent is not going to bring it down.
You know what Rems, YOU KNOW WHAT????!!!!! It's so ture, wwwaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhh :suicide:

i fake my own death in a "heroic battle" then put some cyborg on a life support system that everyone thought was me and have it make odd cryptic gestures now and then that my flunkies would interpret in a 1000 different ways and have them run things.
This was so good, I posted it on Dakka Dakka and had so many funny comments. +1 for humor.
 

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This was so good, I posted it on Dakka Dakka and had so many funny comments. +1 for humor.
I as also going to add I'd trick them into "feeding" me psykers and pick out the best chicks for myself!
 
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