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Sort of a rant, but I notice a lot of people saying "Well, this unit kinda sucks but when apocalypse comes out I can play with it again!"

So what's so special about a 3k+ list and abandoning the FoC that means people won't still be trying to squeeze every ounce of power they can out of it? It's not as though powergamers will magically vanish at the 3k threshold and the tables will open up and blossom with players just dying to stuff their lists full of underpowered, overpriced, ineffective units.

When apocalypse comes around, I can promise you you'll see cheese on an epic scale, and all these people just dying to throw their possessed, chaos dreads, Tycho models, etc onto the board are going to either get pissed and start ranting, or quietly put those dusty, useless figs back on the shelf and start loading up on the same cheese everyone else eats.

Bigger list doesn't mean overpriced units will become viable again, it just means you will end up putting in twice the amount of the overpowered, underpriced units than you could before. (And if you don't, then you end up getting beat and complaining on the interwebs)
 

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But Apocalypse is the panacea that fluffy gamers have been waiting for! :lol: I agree to some extent, at our local store recently there was a free for all "bring all your models" 2000 pointer. Instead of people coming up with fluffy armies where they can finally have their Guard army fighting alongside that Deathwatch detachment it was super heavies, Grey Knight heroes fighting alongside Farseers, 6 Falcons etc.

I think that if people want to play fun games they can do it at any point level as long as both players have the same attitude. Last week I deliberately powered down my list and took 16 Striking Scorpions and Guardians against Tau because I fancied a change. My opponent brought out his Vespid in a similar vein. It was close, it was brutal, it was very good fun. All at 1500. A lot of our guys do Cityfight for the same reason, break out the unusual stuff and go for it.

You'll get people who use Apocalypse as the excuse they always wanted to field 3 Titans and 2 Banblades. However if you want to do it for fun and shiggles you'll get that out of it against an opponent of a similar mindset.
 

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I agree with pretty much what Anathema has said. People will have fun games if they have the same attitude no matter what system is in place.

Personally I shall be avoiding Apocalypse mainly as I can play Epic for 'big' games!
 

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I disagree, since apoc is supposodly an optional addition, so it will just be a fun thing you do, not the new standard for 40K games. (At least, until 5th edition comes out.)
 

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I'm not saying every game will be apocalypse, I'm just saying people have an unreasonable expectation that powergamers won't be interested in a no holds barred high-points game
 

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Indeed a very good chance of that, especially if everything really does go........madness in sight:wink:

Hoping people will indeed stick to the fun aspect and not just see it as an opportunity to crush enemies with even more minis....the burry your opponent in gaunt minis tactic looks like serious fun to me!

And thats why my 3000+ armies will be normally playable forces. My nids will have a lott of heavy critters but will most likely be playable using a normal organisation chart (maybe adding 1-2 extra choices as I don't want to get my opponent burried beneath my gaunts). My chaos army will be 2000 points legal csm and 1500+ legal traitor guard.
 

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A power gamer will power game at any points limit, Apocalypse is wide open to abuse- no FOC, no Troops.

But then the simple answer- don't play the guy.

Personally I shall be avoiding Apocalypse mainly as I can play Epic for 'big' games!
Definitely. Unfortunately finding opponents isn't so easy.
 

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I completely agree with the general thrust of what's been said - powergamers will powergame at whatever points level - but apocalypse will open up certain options. For instance I *think* (it's been a long time since I counted up!) I have 9 troop options and 4 or 5 fast attacks for my Ork army. And probably 4 elites. So a lot of things don't get used (many many grots haven't seen the light of day in years. It's OK, they like hiding in the dark).

There was no real point in fielding an army with 90-120 grots in it, now I just might (and hope my opponent has decided to go for 4 whirlwinds, otherwise the little green buggers are still gonna be completely useless! Grr grotnerf!)

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I fully intend to field anything that even remotely looks cool. The rules described to me so far show something that is going to be for sheer fun and enjoyment, not meant to be tightly balanced, etc, so I have no problems with it. The fact that I can field my Chaos army along side my Tau force LEGALLY is just frickin awesome.
 

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If they are removing the force org chart, i wonder if they will remove the 0-1? Hmmm

Inquisitor - Emperors Tarot = 35pts

31x Eversor Assassins = 2945pts


Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Would be funny though, for about 10 minutes!


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Yes, cheesy players will have the oportunnity to use more cheese, but an apocalypse game is not about winning, but being able to use models that normally do not see the light of day.

Any cheesy playes will stick to the tournament format. Those cheesy players also have units they do not use due to points constraints. I actually expect to see a large drop in cheesiness in apocalypse games. I expect more fluff and more rounded out armies because now people have an excuse (and points available) to use obscure units.
 

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I think it's been adequately stated already, but I just HAVE to chime in...the Velveeta players will play the same in Apocalypse as straight-up 40k. The best answer I've seen is for people who play alike...to play together.

It's all about the gaming expectation and what people are in to it for. As long as both players (all the players?) are playing with the same goals in mind it's all good.
 
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