Angron wasn't retarded per see, but he was at least mentally stunted. Then again the fault of the Primarches was Empy giving them human minds in godlike bodies.
-I take it you are not a practitioner in the field of mental health nor licensed? It would make sense seeing as your statement is entirely false, the diagnosis of retardation is still used around the globe to this present date (5/23/2013). Additionally, it is used for all ranges depending upon their intelligence assessment score, depending on their score they are diagnosed with a degree of retardation. Where do I derive my answers from? Years of field experience being a licensed clinical therapist.
-Again this is entirely inaccurate, retardation is merely the diagnosis not the cause. Many variables can bring about a degree of retardation in an individual, ranging from genetics, to physiological predispositions, injuries, or exposure to certain substances. Physical trauma, even physiological predispositions can cause what is known as Hyphema, this is when bleeding is occurring in the anterior chamber of the eye between the cornea and the iris. Why is this seen in some patients of retardation? Most often it is seen in patients that have suffered trauma to the cranial region, which is why it is a comorbid effect as I stated earlier. They are not exclusive to one another, but when a myriad of symptoms are presented together in conjunction to diminished cognitive ability and low intelligence score it is likely a degree of retardation.
- Anger does not produce the facial and muscle twitches that are described in the book, furthermore anger does not produce nerve misfirings to the degree that Angron displays in such a chronic manner. The chemicals produced from anger inherently do not cause or bring about synapse degradation in such a chronic manner, however where this is seen is in people with damaged lobes of the brain, often temporal of occipital.
I really hope this isn't true. Given that you incorrectly use the term retarded in your posts and also incorrectly use the term "comorbidity" later on in this one, as well as all the other crazy theories you've made in the past.Years of field experience being a licensed clinical therapist.
If, as you state, "retardation" can be diagnosed from red-eyes than red-eyes are a potential sign of cognitive problems. Which is what I said. How is that even remotely inaccurate?Again this is entirely inaccurate, retardation is merely the diagnosis not the cause.
Cranial trauma... like having a hunk of metal nailed into his brain you mean?Why is this seen in some patients of retardation? Most often it is seen in patients that have suffered trauma to the cranial region,
Exactly my point.Pragmatism or practicality does not correlate with intelligence,
Does he lack the ability or does he simply not make use of it? Angron's personality is not such that he would be prone to introspection or abstract thinking. But that doesn't mean he's dumb, just straight-forward.Angron lacks all ability to contemplate and or process any level of abstract thinking that goes beyond the level of physicality,
Sure he is. He enjoys fighting, both as a release and as a concept, and seeks to do it as much as possible. He doesn't engage in violence because he's frustrated with his own lack of mental abilities but rather because it is something he wants to be doing.Angron isn't fixated on violence as a concept,
So is the fact that he can't sleep properly a symptom or a result of his being "retarded"? I've never heard of it being either, which means you just shot your own argument in the foot.Angron's locus of attention is greatly dispersed, which is due to his train of thought and ability to form coherent blocks of memory being disrupted from a lack of proper sleep (Betrayer).
They do if they're present in larger amounts and over a greater time than would be normal. Given that the Nails are categorically stated to amplify both the physiological intensity and duration of the angered state they would also, over time, cause a breakdown in certain cognitive processes.The chemicals produced from anger inherently do not cause or bring about synapse degradation in such a chronic manner
Comorbidity refers to two or more conditions that are unrelated except in that they occur in the same patient. You were suggesting that the two were very directly linked.comorbidity is either the presence of one or more disorders (or diseases) in addition to a primary disease or disorder, or the effect of such additional disorders or diseases to the primary diagnosis.
If you could please show me where I stated that red-eyes are a potential sign of cognitive problems?
This is your first post. "Physical signs" of "retardation" and your first example is red eyes. Not bleeding eyes, not Hyphema but red eyes.to attribute to him a plethora of physically and behaviorally displayed symptoms that are often seen in retarded individuals, mostly through brain damage in various lobes.
The red eyes,
I suppose you never did state that. However in my opinion "retarded" and brain-damaged are very different things, if you were a therapist I think you'd agree. "Retarded" to me means either Learning Disability (the term that replaced it) or, more generally, mentally impaired, both of which are inherent in the person and not the result of external trauma. It's pretty obvious that the Nails messed Angron up really bad, if that's all your trying to get across then congrats on the Captain Obvious, if not then I disagree.Have I ever stated that the cranial trauma is not a cause or factor in the cause of a degree of retardation? I merely stated that Angron is likely retarded.
It is made clear that these things are not alien to Angron originally, in his youth he was very capable of this kind of thinking. That's why he was able to create, organize and lead a pretty darn successful rebellion. He is capable of both mental and emotional reasoning in his initial discussion with Kharn. He is accepted into the Primarchs as an equal. It is only later, as the effect of the Nails (first) and his fall to Khorne (second) become more pronounced that these things begin to slip from him. Look at the change in Kharn in the original trilogy to see an even more pronounced change caused by Khornate worship. Betrayer is set after his fall, he is just too far gone at that point but it's not who he was.Angron has displayed the inability to process abstract thinking or the ability to process large quantitative scenarios. Such as battle logistics, or simple numbers, losses for his forces, strategy, non physical verbal ques, allegories, all of this is entirely alien to him.
Right. None of those things either cause a person to become "retarded" in anything approaching a medical sense, nor are they caused by being "retarded". They do however explain why he would be having trouble processing information properly (sleep deprivation) without him being retarded. You are arguing that he is retarded. Therefore bringing up something that shows that he needn't be retarded is counter to your argument.Where do you derive your statements from? Lack of sleep means he is never able to process memory correctly, when humans sleep they go through several stages. Of which the brain process memories and experiences that you experienced in "Blocks". Without the processing of these blocks, accessing these memories or more importantly accessing their neural pathways becomes highly erratic for the brain to do so.
I choose to respond because I have nothing better to do right now. And also because...You choose to respond, for you had something to project, some thing to prove if not others then to yourself. Every response is a validation of ones of motivations in one way or another.