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http://www.blacklibrary.com/Warhammer/return-of-nagash-hardback.html

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The original bad guy of the Warhammer world returns for the End Times, ready to destroy the land of the living and begin a new age of undeath. If you like Warhammer, this is a must read — nothing that has ever happened within the Old World or without has been more pivotal to the future of the Warhammer setting.

The End Times are coming. As the forces of Chaos threaten to drown the world in madness, Mannfred von Carstein and Arkhan the Black put aside their difference and plot to resurrect the one being with the power to stand against the servants of the Ruinous Powers and restore order to the world - the Great Necromancer himself. As they set about gathering artefacts to use in their dark ritual, armies converge on Sylvania, intent on stopping them. But Arkhan and Mannfred are determined to complete their task. No matter the cost, Nagash must rise again.
This is going to be awesome.


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Just read the lexi on him.

Why would his former lieutenants want to resurrect him in their fight against Chaos? Aren't they part of Chaos?
Nope. This is pretty much a "If they conquer the world, we can't conquer the world, so let's kill them," scenario. Nagash and his forces are utterly opposed to the idea of Gods of any kind ruling the world, it's their world to rule as they see fit. They want an utterly still world, a world of no life and thus a perfectly controlled order. The concept of the Corpse Geometries comes up in a few of the works dealing with the Undead and Nagash, and it makes it pretty clear that Nagash and Necromancy are a distinct force from Chaos.


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Arkhan and Manfred are both undead. Chaos have no hold on the living dead.

And looks like a really awesome read. Seems Warhammer Fantasy is getting a new End Times brand.

This book appears to be a continuation of the plot in Sigmar's Blood, where you learn of the terrible plot hatched by Manfred Von Carstein.


Any idea if its a standalone book or a trillogy in the making?
 

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Thing is that vampires in particular lives in the past, obsessing over what once was, and trying to recreate it in exact detail. Or look at the Red Duke, having trouble to keep the past from the present, mechanically going through motions they already did long ago. You could say its a particularilly vicious brand of senility, but as it happened he was able to shake it off after having his delusions shattered.
 

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So Is Arkhan the Black defecting to the Vampire Counts now then?
If youve read Sigmar's Blood, Manfred is using resources that clearly is related to Nagash. And from what he tells Volkmar, Manfred is clearly of a similar mind to Nagash.

Arkhan have always been Nagash's crony, so even if they have had a falling out. I think he would accept it as Manfred is his best option to see his master restored.
 

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Any idea if its a standalone book or a trillogy in the making?
I say a series, this is based on two things. One: The book's spine has a I on it. Two: I asked Josh Reynolds about it and his response was "I can't say." So yeah, I think this is a new series.

My exact question was this;

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1. The I roman numeral on the spine tells me this is a series. My question is thus: Is this a new series about Nagash returning to the Warhammer World and will you be writing the entire series? Or is this a world-based series about the End Times, and will other writers take on other factions in the series?
So this series could be either of these things, or something else entirely. I imagine as some time passes we'll find out, but for now we remain in the dark.


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Hrm, saw some curious blabber over on Warseer regarding The End Times.

In the talk about The Return of Nagash
Current rumor is two more novels over the next two weeks - no titles or authors attached.

Then Josh probably isn't writing them.


My own speculation is that those unmentioned books would carry the End Times brand and covering other sides of it, instead of it just being a solely Nagash plot. As I doubt a single author would have 3 full lenght books ready for this.

And Empire PoV is pretty much a given with Volkmar's presence, with perhaps G&F even? Would certainly make for an epic doom for Gotrek, plus they have already encountered Manfred and Vlad.

And given their long history with Nagash, I could see the Skaven getting involved again. The ratfolk possibly saving the world once again? Would be hilariously ironic. The fellblade is after all still around, it being used to kill Vanhal the Necromancer at his prime, just as he appeared to be possessed by Nagash's spirit.
 

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I would definitely welcome Archaon getting more involved with the End Times. Nagash and his lot look down on Chaos but they'd be fools to assume that Archaon is someone they can deal with easily, the Everchosen of Chaos that bears the blessing of all four Dark Gods, the infernal Legions of Chaos at his back and someone who bears the most powerful artefacts of Chaos in existence. Nagash is definitely in his league, but in my opinion he doesn't eclipse Archaon or even come close to doing so.

Archaon vs Nagash is a fight that I don't think anyone could predict the outcome of.


And of course the Skaven will get involved fool-meat! The world belongs not to the Chaos Gods, the dead-things, the man-things or the elf-things, it belongs to the Horned Rat and his Verminous Children. They will inherit the world and every non-Skaven will either die or become food or both. The Grey Lords weren't a match for Nagash but the Lords of Decay are far more powerful and blessed by the Horned Rat, I think that all twelve of them together could match Nagash and Archaon.

And don't forget that the Skaven still outnumber EVERY other race by a massive margin. If the Skaven band together completely, no race in the word can stand against their numbers.


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