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2000 pts - Word Bearers Army
HQ:
Dark Apostle-MoK
Chaos Lord-Terminator armor, pair of Lightning Claws, AoDG, MoT
Elites:
Helbrute-Reaper Autocannon, Missile Launcher
5 Termies- Standard dress, Reaper Autocannon and Chainfist
5 Chosen-Champ w/ combi-plasma and power sword, 4x plasma guns
Rhino-dozer blade, dirge caster, extra armor
Troops:
10 Marines-Champ w/ combi-bolter and power sword, flamer, autocannon
10 Marines-Champ w/ combi-bolter and power sword, plasma gun, heavy bolter
20 Cultists-Champ w/ Shotgun, autoguns, heavy stubber, flamer
20 Cultists-Champ w/ Shotgun, autoguns, heavy stubber, flamer
Heavy Support:
5 Havocs-Champ w/ power maul, 4x autocannon
Rhino-havoc launcher, dozer blade
2 Oblits-MoN
Chaos Predator- Las sponsons, dozer blade

I'm no competition player and I like very fluffy lists. I thought this was rather fluffy. I don't have any fiends, no spawn, no LR, and no fast attack units (which sucks). I do have 1 more Oblit, a Daemon prince, a sorcerer, another chaos lord, 10 Thousand Sons, 10 World Eater Zerkers, 2 or 3 helbrutes, 5+ possessed, and a few random things I can't think of (like a Soul grinder I could sub for a defiler). The group I game with does not allow special characters :angry:, although I own a few (I often use Kharn as my zerker champ). I've played mostly Daemons up until the last 4 or so months when I switched back to my Word Bearers. I haven't had a chance to run this list yet but I think it sounds pretty workable. Tell me what you think.
 

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I'd go with a claw and chain fist on the Termi Lord, you still get the extra attack with specialist weapons and you also have the added bonus of tearing a few tanks apart. Also, i hear dark apostles are pretty useless, but it is a word bearers army so stick with it, just bunker him in a squad of csm's. Another thing you could do is drop the autocannon from that first squad, drop it in instead of the heavy bolter, give that squad another flamer and arm your apostle with a burning brand and pop them in a rhino and just start flaming the infantry.
 

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Thanks whittsy! I have been toying with the idea of dropping the power weapons for all the termies and loading the squad with as many power fists and chain fists as I could model up. I do have a list where I run my Dark Apostle with a burning brand and it works pretty well I just couldnt fit it in. I've heard of people putting him in with a bunch of cultists and using his buffs on then so I thought I'd try that, even so a burning brand would be nice. I could drop the predator and add those changes. I've had mixed results with predators anyway.
 

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any more than 2 chain fists or 2 power fists is overkill i reckon, If you come up against a tank with a chainfist or 2, you have to be SO unlucky to not blast it away, and giving up the initiative of your other termis is suicide in my eyes, always better to kill off 2 or 3 enemies before your fists get a go at them , thats my thoughts anyway, way too expensive to load them all with fists or claws.
 

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Just a few comments. You're paying for AoDG on your termi-lord, but the armour already grants a 5++ save. Also, in my humble opinion, the power weapon on the havoc champ is almost always a waste. Just out of curiosity, why did you choose to go with the power maul on him? You don't see many of those around.
 

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Whittsy I see your point on the well point cost and also the initiative stand point. I'll probably remodel the termie champ as I get the feeling that I'll use the termie squad more than the lord.

Dk for the AoDG I think I was just burning extra points and thought why not give the lord a 3++. The havoc champ is modeled with a power maul mostly because I like stance it gives him. But does he really need it? no. I don't plan on them getting in cc I was just paying for him as modeled.
 

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The reason i say this about the chain fists in the whole squad not being a good idea, is, i play Dark Angels a bit, and he seems to think that 5x Termis with chain fists can destroy anything, he thought this until i charged my 10man CSM unit into him (to be fair they were kitted out for CC) and i killed 4 Termis in the first round leaving him with 1 Termi and Belial. Where as if he didnt loadout with chain fists, he could have killed 3 or 4 marines reducing the attacks i had that combat phase from 30 (or something ridiculous like taht) to only 20 or so, still a lot, but not as bad!
 

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Haha silly dark angels. I had forgotten about chain fists being init 1 when I had the all out idea. So I took the power maul off of the champ today and gave him a chain fist. Hopefully Friday I can find someone to meet me for a game so I can rain unholy steel doom down with all these autocannons!
 
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