[Vitarus]

Does Ezekiel do anything? Any psyker action of note?

 

[piemelke]

mmh, is there some closure or a huge cliffhanger ?

 

[Lord of the Night]

Does Ezekiel do anything? Any psyker action of note?

Yes and Yes.

mmh, is there some closure or a huge cliffhanger ?

Yes and no. This is the last novel in the trilogy, it's ending is just that; an ending.


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[Anakwanar]

Lord - so why Cypher surrendered himself?

 

[piemelke]

not fair, not fair LOTN,
1.We have been craving for some interesting/good 40K books in the last 6 months (yes I would not mind reading Gav now)
2. This could/should be a discussion on what this forum is about in stead of bitching why BL sucks
1+2 = you have the moral duty to provide spoilers

 

[Lord of the Night]

Sigh... alright. In the interest of provoking discussion here I will answer what questions you all have. But I will not reveal the final twist of the book, that you'll have to find out for yourselves. It's just too mindblowing to be read in a transcript.

Lord - so why Cypher surrendered himself?

Cypher surrendered himself because he has come to help the Dark Angels stop Astelan, Methelas and Anovel's plan with Typhus. Cypher reveals a few things about the plot the Fallen have been working on since Angels of Darkness such as; it was Methelas and Anovel who released the virus into the citadel that claimed Boreas and his men's lives because they thought it was hilarious but Cypher and Astelan disapproved heavily, or that Cypher himself has been captured eight times by the Dark Angels and each time he surrendered himself or allowed himself to be captured in vague circumstances because he needs to meet with the Hidden Masters and give them aid against a threat to the entire Unforgiven bloodline.

For something to discuss I will reveal just what it was Methelas, Astelan and Anovel planned to do;

The plan was for Anovel to use the gene-seed from Piscina IV to support the founding of a new Dark Angels Legion using Astelan's world of Tharsis as a base (I am unclear what the psyker Methelas was to do). However the main part of the plan was something vastly more horrifying, to create a time rift to the Battle of Caliban and bring over all 30,000 original Fallen into the 41st millennium and together with Typhus's support, found the new Death Angels Legion.

Emperor only knows what they would have done with 30,000 anti-Imperial marines with Death Guard backing.

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[piemelke]

cheers,
I was under the understanding that interaction between the DA founding chapters was such that it could be considered a one for all practical purposes ? That does of course not change the fact that it would have been rather interesting

 

[Anakwanar]

Ahem Lord - and how did they planned to create that? With what? It's illogical? Especially the part about the @Warp@ you know - that- thing
Could you explain? Even the EMperor doesnt have that kind of power

 

[Lord of the Night]

Ahem Lord - and how did they planned to create that? With what? It's illogical? Especially the part about the @Warp@ you know - that- thing
Could you explain? Even the EMperor doesnt have that kind of power

They planned on using the Tuchulcha, the strange device that the Lion took from Typhus and his Grave Wardens in a Horus Heresy short story. The Tuchulcha can affect time and combined with some other important items, can actually create a link between different time periods so long as the Tuchulcha is present in both, which it was as the Lion had it on his ship at Caliban.

Everything makes sense once you finish the book, nothing feels illogical or nonsensical.


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[piemelke]

mmh it has been speculated that was the reason the DA could do very synchronised attacks on the NL during the HH it is however unclear what happened to if afterwards, one hypthesis was that the BA used it to jump to Terra, is there more info on that ?

 

[Lord of the Night]

mmh it has been speculated that was the reason the DA could do very synchronised attacks on the NL during the HH it is however unclear what happened to if afterwards, one hypthesis was that the BA used it to jump to Terra, is there more info on that ?

Cypher outright confirms that the Tuchulcha is how the Lion managed to get through the Ruinstorm and into Ultramar, and it's how the Ultramarines managed to get out. I don't think the Blood Angels ever had any contact with it though.

One really interesting revelation is that the Tuchulcha exists in a singular moment across time and space. Essentially it exists in all places across time at once. Which, Cypher reveals, means if you destroy it as Azrael and Ezekiel wanted to do, it would destroy the Tuchulcha in all moments and render it as never having existed in the first place. Which according to him would ensure that Horus would win the Heresy as it was the Dark Angels and Ultramarines meeting up, through the Lion using the Tuchulcha to bypass the Ruinstorm, that convinced the Warmaster to damn the torpedoes and attack Terra immediately rather than wait for his full strength, which as we know led to the Battle of Terra and the 40k universe as is.

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[piemelke]

cheers, so where was it the last 10k years and why have we not seen it before ?
and why is it not used more often ?

 

[Lord of the Night]

cheers, so where was it the last 10k years and why have we not seen it before ?
and why is it not used more often ?

In order;

1.) In a very very deep part of The Rock that only the Watchers in the Dark knew about.

2.) Same reason as above.

3.) Same reason again. Or... who says it isn't and the DA just didn't realize?

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[gamingharry]

Think its time I read Angles of Darkness and tried to catch up! Normally really enjoy Gav's work and Dark Angles are slowly becoming my favorite 40k chapter. Actually being able to learn some of the Dark Angels secrets instead of just having them vaguely brushed off is very enticing.

 

[piemelke]

aha, deep parts in the rock, watchers in the dark ?
anything on the Lion getting waked up ?

 

[Lord of the Night]

aha, deep parts in the rock, watchers in the dark ?
anything on the Lion getting waked up ?

No. That isn't touched on at all. Makes sense really, only the Emperor and the Watchers know and we aren't going to be getting their POVs in 40k.


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[piemelke]

could have been the last scene of the book
how is the shooter marine doing that got his lower half mangled (cannot recall his name but he recently got unto deathwing I think ) ?

 

[Lord of the Night]

Could have been the last scene of the book

How is the shooter marine that got his lower half mangled doing? (Cannot recall his name but he recently got into the Deathwing I think?)

The last scene is something quite different.

Telemenus. He is permanently crippled and seems set to become a wired-in sponson gunner for a Land Raider or for the Rock. Until his squad speak up for him and Belial okays his ascension into a Dreadnought body with a Twin-Linked Lascannon and Krak Missile Launcher.

He spends the rest of the book being an awesome Dreadnought who can snipe tanks with his cannon.

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[HaSY]

Any info about the number or description of other Unforgiven chapters in the novel?

 

[Lord of the Night]

Any info about the number or description of other Unforgiven chapters in the novel?

Only two other Unforgiven Chapters appear in the novel; the already established Consecrators and the newly created Knights of the Crimson Order. Little is revealed about the latter but the former is shown to be a Chapter of relic hunters, specifically things from the past of the Astartes. This results in them having a lot of ancient and esoteric wargear, Belial notes that one of their First Company Sergeants has a sword that would be worthy of a Chapter Master, while their Chapter Master Nakir has one of the Heavenfall Blades that he recovered from the Orks after another Unforgiven Chapter lost it. Nakir is also an Interrogator-Chaplain/Chapter Master, titled The Master of Souls, and has personally broken and redeemed six Fallen.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Consecrators

The book also shows that in some small ways the Dark Angels have a first among equals attitude towards their secrets. Some higher ranking Dark Angels know more than the Chapter Masters of the Successor Chapters.


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