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Looking far ahead, the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings will be phased out.

Horus Heresy will be the third System after Fantasy & 40k and become the "Mature" Game for 40k.

There are plans for an "Mature" Fantasy game with Forgeworld Models too.

Both Games will become their own modified Rulebooks
I'm personally loving everything that's been put out for Horus Heresy, so it getting more support and official recognition as a GW game system sounds great.

I kind of wonder what mature is supposed to mean though? And if they do expand HH, will we be seeing any armies outside of the standard imperial stuff(would love to see HH era Xenos).
 

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Anyone else seeing a "mature" novel coming out? It shall be titled "50 shades of grey knights".
 
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While I'm very dubious about the Horus Heresy stuff, phasing out the Lord of the Rings/Hobbit stuff makes a lot of sense in 2015. After the Hobbit trilogy's finished, the tabletop game will stagnate back into piles of unsellable boxes of models. Unless the Silmarilion is made into a film (hint: it won't), then I doubt GW will be able to keep The Hobbit above water and will discontinue it.

Don't know about 'mature' Fantasy and 40k. If they fix Fantasy as a game system, then fucking fantastic, because Warhammer Forge is singularly beautiful and being able to use it would be awesome. But what is 'mature'? Daemonettes with actual tits? Let's hope so.

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Mature does not mean "with added tits". Torchwood series 1 utterly failed to grasp this concept too.
Mature means "rules that don't need to be understood by teenagers, and can include complicated maths".

The mature themes you seem to be thinking of would be covered in novels and BL stuff. I doubt GW will ever sponsor a game where the actual rulebook incorporates actual 'adult only' content. Slaanesh is about as close as they will ever get in a main rulebook.
 

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I would suppose that mature in a GW-sense means units so big and expensive you have to have a full-time-job to afford it.
 

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I would suppose that mature in a GW-sense means units so big and expensive you have to have a full-time-job to afford it.
As apposed to the current system where you only need to work 30 hours a week :wink:

Interesting news - i'd have thought they'd be looking into skirmish systems rather than another army battles set of rules. Will have to wait and see i guess.
 

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It's just one of those nothing statements used to build up hype about something, or make it sound interesting.

I played an interesting 'mature game' the other day, it's called: doing my tax return. I lost.
 

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Looking far ahead, the Hobbit and the Lord of the Rings will be phased out.

Horus Heresy will be the third System after Fantasy & 40k and become the "Mature" Game for 40k.

There are plans for an "Mature" Fantasy game with Forgeworld Models too.

Both Games will become their own modified Rulebook
At some point, yes I believe lotr and hobbit will disappear,
but 30k is too similar to 40k and whats more is fairly interchangeable for it to be a main system.
I am sure we'll see replacements but there must be a good few years left on the lotr licence yet



Mature means "rules that don't need to be understood by teenagers, and can include complicated maths".
a winning combination of cleanliness and pythagoras then
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but 30k already has it's own rules sets in the form of the FW HH books, and it's also only for mature gamers, as in grown ups with disposable income. So basically all that statements says is that LotR and The Hobbit will be phased out, which I find hard to believe. I was led to believe that LotR was a big cash cow for GW. Why cut off their nose to spite their face?
 

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Really? I have yet to meet someone that plays that game. I always thought their LotR line was a massive flop and they only stick with it because of legal agreements.
and, lets be fair, not all the MODELS suck.

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Lotr is the 'in' for the general public. If you've never heard of GW, you're still likely to have heard of LotR or the Hobbit, and having a game based on those brings new players in who would never have otherwise started.

When GW put their figures on the De Agnosti LotR collectable magazine, it brought in so many new players it was just silly.

Just because the regular GW crowd don't play it, don't assume it's not done wonders for GW as a whole. It funded the new 3 storey office block and Eurohub at Lenton, and the new plastics machines. LotR is the reason they can do the awesome plastic kits you're enjoying right now.
 

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Lotr is the 'in' for the general public. If you've never heard of GW, you're still likely to have heard of LotR or the Hobbit, and having a game based on those brings new players in who would never have otherwise started.

When GW put their figures on the De Agnosti LotR collectable magazine, it brought in so many new players it was just silly.
Really? I didn't know. Like I said, I have never seen anyone playing them, and have hardly seen them at gaming stores. I had at best seen a few models and scenarios at some cons but that's about it.

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LotR is the reason they can do the awesome plastic kits you're enjoying right now.
If I had awesome new plastic kits I wouldn't have quit buying GW stuff.

This said, thanks for the heads up, I seriously thought the LotR line was just a failure.
 

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Really? I have yet to meet someone that plays that game. I always thought their LotR line was a massive flop and they only stick with it because of legal agreements.
as silvertabby said this is a myth or huge misconception, GW had the opportunity to walk away from lord of the rings when the license expired prior to the hobbit release but took the option to extend it and include the Hobbit, hardly the actions of a company whos line had flopped.
i cant say if the tooling had anything to do with the hobbit needing smaller tooling, but certainly GWs plastics have taken a huge leap forward during the period that they have been producing LOTR models, so if its out of necessity or just because they had the cash to invest in new tech im certainly glad they went after the licence, if anyone at GW has any sense they should be looking at the new Star Wars movies as the next potential movie tie in.



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if anyone at GW has any sense they should be looking at the new Star Wars movies as the next potential movie tie in.
My wallet does not approve of this suggestion.
 

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If anyone at GW has any sense they should be looking at the new Star Wars movies as the next potential movie tie in.
Probably a non starter since Fantasy Flight has the Star Wars tabletop game license for at least the new few years (I'm not sure they've ever said in public how long a period it covers). The bidding process for it was before the new movies were announced, and I do wonder if it would have turned out differently if the license renewal had come a bit later.

(I have liked what FFG have done with the license so far, both with X-Wing and the RPG and hope they keep going with what they've done, but they'd be crazy not to have something big and new lined up with it for when the new films start hitting)
 

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i think the "mature" game might be a skirmish game since older players have probably less time to play with full time jobs, wife, kids and such.

LOTR is pretty big which I did not think it was until my local store hosted a LOTR tournament and the place packed with people so it is very popular and good for GW.

I agree with B&K that GW should get in with the new Star Wars movies especially since X-wing fighter is a pretty popular game system this might give GW many more new customers.
 

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am i the only one that would rather they bring back specialist games as opposed to starting a whole new system? maybe bridge the gap between gothic and 40k with a campaign book? Just saying.
I would love to see some of the specialist games return, but specialist games are very insular and niche, they are great for the bearded GW veteran, but to continue bringing new blood into the hobby i think GW also need to consider other broader reaching elements too, also the other thing to consider about specialist games is will people buy them? space hulk was a huge success, dreadfleet however wasnt and what were the reasons? space hulk had amazing miniatures that could be used in 40k as well as in space hulk which is also a cracking game, dreadfleet was totally different, amazing models but they could only be used in that game and a game whos game play never got much air time. If GW were to do specialist games they would need to rethink the stand alone game in a box and maybe look at the expandable specialist games to bring in future purchases, blood bowl in plastic with fully plastic teams and star players for example, epic Armageddon would need to be even bigger as we now have appoc, but again entire companies of marines in plastic in epic scale. Inquisitor with large scale model in plastic could work( might also stop them face planting) and yes battlefleet gothic in plastic makes total sense.



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