The Emperor Protects
Pretty much every mention of marneus calgar, such as killing an avatar, something Fulgrim had great difficulty in doing and even then required a deamon blade
So in other words it's yet again showing something only the almighty Guilliamn and Ultramarines could accomplish. More intense fighting than the heresy that managed to decimate the majority of the Legions yet the Ultramarines still pull through. Links me right back round to my orginal point of the Ultramarines having fuck all flaws and able to fight a war (mainly on their lonesome) and survive intact that the was more intense than the war the other 8 legions combined got fucked in. Hmmm so i'll add this to my list of fluff that doesn't sit wellIt wasn't just them, but it was mainly them. The Raven Guard, Salamanders, and Dark Angels didn't take part in the Scouring in any great amount, the Space Wolves and Imperial Fists were on a vengeance crusade that only nominally aided the Imperium.
The Blood Angels, and I presume the Iron Hands, were in turmoil reorganising their Legion after losing the Primarch and a lot of veteran troops- and as soon as the White Scars returned home to recoup they began their own hunt for the DE who stole thousands of tribesmen from their homeworld, resulting in the Khan's disappearance (again with most of the Legion's veterans), though his actual disappearance occurred after the Legion's split.
7 years of shouldering the burden in a fight that would have been more consistently intense than the Heresy is going to result in a hell of a lot of casualties- the fact that any Ultramarines survived at all is a testament to Guilliman.
Hitting the nail on the head their. Sure i don't like the Ultramarines, i won't deny that, hate no though. It's just like crawford said though and as i have been saying. They literally can do no wrong. Hell i really like the Tyranid war the Ultramarines fought, it's interesting and a good bit of a fluff, i like alot of the fluff that the UM have.Sorry for double posting, but just read this.
I believe that the mystery around this big number disapearing after the Heresy is indeed something that should be pointed out.
And I also believe that its not that people "hate" the Ultramarines. If there is hate it is often a misplaced hatred. At least to me, I think that the Ultramarines background fluff is well enough to where it could be one of the GWs most favored chapters. However, with all these over-glorifying stories about how fucken awesome they are, where an Ultramarine pulls an awesome knife out of his ass to make a daemon prince go "poof" and roaming around the eye of terror being completely fine, and the rest of the smurf crap thats being shoved down fans throats, its just like... :shok:... okay I get it. You can stop now.
On the contrary, the majority of the battle is detailed and Calgars fight with the Avatar is well detailed, toe to toe is exactly what he did. The rest of the UM with him were quite busy with the other Eldar, the ones that did fire at the Avatar did little damage. The Dante one however is entirely open to myth and interpretation and i for one hope it is a warped acount of what happened. I love the Blood Angels and Dante but that would be worse than the Avatar fight, cutting a Bloodthirster in half with one blow with a weapon that wasn't even a Primarchs.As with all historical things there's no context to the achievement. Did Calgar go toe to toe one on one with the Avatar, no probably not that would be retarded. But under sustained attack the Avatar is banished and Calgar was there, Calgar killed the Avatar. Just as Alexander the Great conquered, he didn't do it by himself but it's always written that HE did it.
It even mentions in Dante's backstory that killing the Bloodthister is gone in folklore and he refuses to confirm or deny it, preferring to allow the common man to have heroes to believe in.
To be fair, Dante is by far the most experienced Chapter Master and argueably one of the most experienced marine alive apart from Bjorn(and apparently some ancient Salamander from the salamander book i've not read)Experience at complaining about how sad he is about Sanguinius's death?