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So tell me how you really feel, don't sugar coat it. :laugh:
The Arms Race that is Killing 40k
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So it's becoming increasingly apparently that you know fuck all about 40K.
Space marines are super soldiers they are no where near the best of the best.
Genestealers destroy them
Necron warriors weapons are more than capable of wiping them.
the tau are more then capable of beating them.
Plenty of astartes die to eldar as well.
Orks are also more than capable of wiping astartes as well.
They win because of they can shoot straighter and hit first allot of times. But other than that they die. Because they don't fight smart. Nearly every space marine novel goes like this.
Bad guys appear,
space marines respond,
fight to a standstill
war begins to turn against them.
war turns in their favor due to a wildcard.
war is won by a tactical strike.
Cain never charges into battle alone, he always ensures he has troops around him. He also chooses his engagements and he always tries to find a way out.
In the greater good cain dropped his weapons when confronted by that battlesuit. A space marine would never have done that.
It in turn caused the tau and the imperium to gain a truce.
Wow someone just became a child.
I'd like to fire back with some inappropriate nonsense about your knowledge of a fake universe, but really I don't care enough.
Last post about Martins popularity: 50 shades of grey was also a highly successful book series too, doesn't mean it isn't literary crap and it doesn't mean the masses are right.
Back on the titled subject. I just don't care to see the primarchs or any other character for that matter, going super saiyan to best their foe. Shooting energy blasts that can kill entire squads just because it is cool.
I see it now, the rematch between Sang and Ka'Bandha. The fighting is brutal, neither seems to be gaining the upper hand, then Sang taps into his innermost fury his radiance shining as the energy that empowers the emperor flows through him, and his hair turns all spikey and Ka is now as weak as a child, the pure wrath coming from the Saiy-I mean primarch can not be matched, and he breaks the daemons back.
That could happen...I'd even put $5 that something very similar to that happens, no bullshit.
I don't want that. I hope when writing the Battle of Tera, and all 40k novels, our authors have more creative ingenuity than our beloved characters gaining extra pixy powers.
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The primarchs were created with warp energy stolen from the chaos gods. These random feats of heroism make sense for them, and even then aren't exactly commonplace.
Bear in mind that in most cases the primarchs had an army at their backs.
Also a genetic super soldier fueled by god juice managing to beat a greater daemon isn't exactly a stretch of the imagination, especially since well equipped marines can do that now (grey knights, in case you didn't make the connection).
Bear in mind that in most cases the primarchs had an army at their backs.
Also a genetic super soldier fueled by god juice managing to beat a greater daemon isn't exactly a stretch of the imagination, especially since well equipped marines can do that now (grey knights, in case you didn't make the connection).
There's two kinds of sci fi.
The happy everyone gets along star trek where only useless characters die, or grimdark where anyone can die.
You're trying to adapt 40K to what your limited mind can comprehend.
Almost all of the characters who hulked out to do something awesome were in fact warp related,
I will say it again, read the books and pay attention this time. Everything cain defeated was warp related and most of the time jurgen showed up.
World eaters, one was wounded and the other one was arrogant, jurgen ended both of them.
Daemon jurgen was there,
necron pariahs jurgen
partriach jurgen
psykers jurgen was there.
We're dealing with events that happen in a galaxy thus powers have to increase it's fine for on earth people to have the strength of conan but in a galactic setting it doesn't work.
Haah I've been reading these novels longer than you. Loook at our join dates.
Seriously no moderators going to reprimand this troll for his comments? He is clearly 12
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Last time folks. STOP BICKERING!
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Having a different opinion or understanding to you isn't trolling. Seriously, you're dragging this on as much as he is.
Like Deathklokk says, maybe you should both get over it? :crazy:
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What kind of fucked up logic is that? Because you joined before him you have been reading longer? Christ well if that's the case YOU'RE BOTH WRONG I'm right simply because I've been here longer. That has to be one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
Like the mods said ignore him, if he has to resort to personal attacks he knows I'm right.
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Why are you guys continuing this? Get back on topic or stop posting.
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One thing I would like to point out concerning power levels is that 30k and the Horus Heresy really is supposed to be an "age of legends" of sorts; Primarchs and Space Marines seems super-powerful specifically because, ten thousand years later, the Imperium has little that can match their might. The Primarchs and the (loyalist) Space Marine Legions are gone; the Emperor is stuck on the Golden Throne; all the magnificent technologies of the Great Crusade are lost, or otherwise extremely rare and misunderstood; and while the Space Marine Chapters still command considerable clout, the age of superhuman leadership is over. I'll let Ahriman explain it for me:
If 30k and the Horus Heresy is beginning to seem DBZ-esque, then it's probably because 40k, which is already filled with notable feats of heroism, must look mundane by comparison.Ahriman (White Dwarf 275 said:
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There's also an aspect of this which relates to the English language. The authors, in stoking those stories and trying to put details on previously vague legends runs into a limit.
The authors are forced to make everything bigger and bigger and bigger. Eventually they are just stacking up superlatives.
The must horrible thing versus the biggest villain in the most extreme . . . blah blah blah.
When everyone goes to 11 all you get is noise.
It adds up to battle story fatigue.
And I suspect to a degree it is necessary because the authors don't want to try and sell a story about the wimpy bookish primarch or the sensitive nature loving primarch.
When producing for fanboys they don't want to be in the position of trying to sell, "in the grim darkness, of the backstory, to the current setting, in the far future; there is only boltguns, new age music, water colours, oh, and war. Lots of war."
The customers would like that even less.
The authors are forced to make everything bigger and bigger and bigger. Eventually they are just stacking up superlatives.
The must horrible thing versus the biggest villain in the most extreme . . . blah blah blah.
When everyone goes to 11 all you get is noise.
It adds up to battle story fatigue.
And I suspect to a degree it is necessary because the authors don't want to try and sell a story about the wimpy bookish primarch or the sensitive nature loving primarch.
When producing for fanboys they don't want to be in the position of trying to sell, "in the grim darkness, of the backstory, to the current setting, in the far future; there is only boltguns, new age music, water colours, oh, and war. Lots of war."
The customers would like that even less.
Yeah I guess when the primarchs are supposed to be the great legends, I guess it is ok.
This was supposed to be a quick yes or no, if you thought 40k was getting to over powered, We are currently split on the issue, and most people that play the game agree the arms race is getting a bit out of hand.
Well this was a different thread other than the usual who could beat up who.
This was supposed to be a quick yes or no, if you thought 40k was getting to over powered, We are currently split on the issue, and most people that play the game agree the arms race is getting a bit out of hand.
Well this was a different thread other than the usual who could beat up who.
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