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They are much scarier, in a way, but they also have lost their drive to conquer the imperium. When they ascended they achieved the ultimate goal. Now their main goal is the game(see CoTE because I have no idea). But, really, even if they are it wouldn't matter simply because they don't have the numbers.
 

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Why is there even a contest between Russ vs Angron?? When Lion throws him throw a table, then knocks his ass out, (even if it was because Russ started to laugh) and Lion isnt even a well known CC specialist, but yet somehow Russ can beat the most renowned CC fighter...I smell Wolf Fanboy shenanigans.

BTW being knocked out cold by 1 punch, means you got a shit chin...
 

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Why is there even a contest between Russ vs Angron?? When Lion throws him throw a table, then knocks his ass out, (even if it was because Russ started to laugh) and Lion isnt even a well known CC specialist, but yet somehow Russ can beat the most renowned CC fighter...I smell Wolf Fanboy shenanigans.

BTW being knocked out cold by 1 punch, means you got a shit chin...
The Wolf King was one of the greatest fighters of the primarchs. Also, he was laughing his ass off when he was knocked out. It isn't as though it was a fair hit. Btw he also ripped a titans head off with his bear hands and beat the living shit out of the largest primarch.
 

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Well it was a close fight with Magnus it was not a walk in the park for Russ,
still my money is one Russ,
In terms of strength and endurance they are comparable I think Russ is more cunning.
Angron can only be in a state of utter desire for destruction. The fact that Russ can also be in another state (e.g. Drunk, hungry) does not mean he cannot go Bezerk.
Would be a cool fight though
 

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Didn't Russ take a powerfist punch by the Emperor, as well as at another time by The Lion?

Tbh though I think it's pretty equal Primarch to Primarch, all the advantages Russ has like being a Pariah don't really effect Angron and don't forget Angron isn't totally Mindless he was a gladiator, his prowess in martial ability is equal to his berserk character.
 

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Its funny how people compare two people and two forces with one side having much less written fluff than the other. There isn't a whole book on how the World Eaters conquer a world (Horus Rising comes to mind), except for a few hints that they massacred everyone and anyone who got in their way. Take this into consideration when comparing these two (or rather any) sides.

When the two Legions would clash they would probably have their Primarchs with them. The battlefield would be most likely a mountain or a forest (definately not a city, its not a place for a Legion vs Legion duel) where the Space Wolves could set up all sorts of ambushes. I imagine the World Eaters would close up to the mountain (lets stick to this for the example's sake) but they'd stop just beyond the SW's guns' range. Angron would step up and challange Russ and his Legion (lets not forget, outrageous challanges are part of a gladiator's tricks), calling them gutless cowards for hiding behind bushes and not putting up a fight like a true warrior. He'd say that if Russ doesn't come out he'll go back to his ship and tell the whole world that the Space Wolves are just puppy hugging women who can't put up a good fight. Sure, its obvious that hes taunting Russ but Angron isn't the type who wouldn't do what he says he would. With this in mind Russ has no chance but to come out with his Legion and take it like a man.

The first few minutes would involve some shooting from both sides but not too much, seeing as how both armies are honour-bound and have a preferance for close combat over hiding behind big guns. Both sides would be charging each other, eager for blood and glory. Say what you want about either side but there would be much bloodshed before the day is done. But we all know that every army is as strong as their lord...

Eventually, Angron and Russ would manage to reach each other and engage in a merciless duel. The fighting would slowly stop as both sides witness the clash of demigods - or perhaps not, who knows? Either way, the Primarchs would have trouble gaining the upper hand over the other one, having roughly the same stamina (hunting vs endless training), lasting out the other is not an option either. However, as the fight goes on Angron's gladiatorial training starts to kick in, as he adapts to his opponent's fighting style and slowly at first, but even faster as the duel rages on Angron would grind Russ into the ground (since while Russ might be badass incarnate, hes more used to having options and using a cleverly chosen set of special abilities so that he can counter his opponent's strengths by exploting his weaknesses, rather than being stuck in a situation where his opponent has no psychic powers at all that he could nullify, no too-clever-and-thus-distracted mind, just sheer strength, stamina and skill; if he had any offensive psychic powers (which he doesn't as far as I know) he could gain the upper hand because thats the only weak spot in Angron's armour (other than being a better fighter than him)). Russ would fall eventually, leaving Angron badly injured. The Space Wolves' morale would be destroyed, the World Eater's would be swelling with pride and the Space Wolves would be reduced to where the Crimson Fists currently are: only the best survive but still, too few to be a well-functioning force.

Thats my take on it with the limited knowledge I have of the sides involved. However, it has to be said that both sides could possibly win, so at the end of the day it would boil down to which side having plot armour. But even so, it would be a very, very close call.
 

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From all evidence given, Angron does not seem the type to bunker down in a good position and taunt someone out. And im of the opinion that whomever won the duel would die from their own wounds shortly after anyway
 

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From all evidence given, Angron does not seem the type to bunker down in a good position and taunt someone out.
Nah, he won't bunker down. He'll wave his arms around like chicken wings and make clucking noises till Russ can't stand it anymore.:biggrin:
 

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From all evidence given, Angron does not seem the type to bunker down in a good position and taunt someone out. And im of the opinion that whomever won the duel would die from their own wounds shortly after anyway
I didn't say that, I just said that he wouldn't jump into an obvious trap and he would make Russ fall into his obvious trap instead. :p

Nah, he won't bunker down. He'll wave his arms around like chicken wings and make clucking noises till Russ can't stand it anymore.:biggrin:
That would certainly work! :laugh: Oh god, make me unsee it! :laugh:
 

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I don't think he would even set a trap, it just does not seem to be in his character type or personality at all, and even if he did, the chances of Russ falling for such an obvious trap are slim
 

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It's an interesting question - and I don't think that I could easilly put my money in either camp. I would suggest though that it would go with the army which had the momentum. In your example above I can imagine the wolves crashing into the 'Eater's lines like a wave and driving through them - we've all seen the charge of the roharim right? If the situation were reveresed then It would be equally as brutal.

These are both armies and warriors which fight on the front foot - I think it would be more likely that th manouvring to get the charge would be more likely to carry the day.

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I don't think he would even set a trap, it just does not seem to be in his character type or personality at all, and even if he did, the chances of Russ falling for such an obvious trap are slim
In essence, its a challange. In practice, its a trap. What happens, is that Angron doesn't know his challange is a trap. :p
 

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I believe Korothis had it right on the money and a little change to spare. People neglect to do any sort indepth look into the WE and they make a biased assumption out of a stereotype that WE are only raged filled CSM who cant think for the life of them in battle and are always screaming and swinging at stuff. Sure Gav Thorpe wrote that in the CSM to make them psychopathic maniacs, but that isnt the full truth at all. WE are a close combat specialised legion! Sure bring the big guns and shoot long range weaponry at them, and watch as stereotypical action comes into play and the WE charge into our guns screaming like lunatics while dying by the dozens.

Sadly for all those who would like to believe thats all they ever do or capable of doing, then they are sadly mistaken. For a legion that is over thousands of years old and have fought on many battlefields you would think that they would have come up with something to counter long range weaponry? There a highly successful CC specialised force capable of dealing with many situations including the one mentioned above, mindless charging does not win battles, not as many as they have won and is not the tactic they use ALL the time. WE are Berserkers sure, in combat they let loose their martial prowess and hatred which gives them strength, but it does not rob them of logic and common sense. But out of combat they are still able to think tactically (need a reference read in the CSM codex about Mandathrax.) like any other marines and have the cunning and intelligence to make them feared opponents in a large scale battle due to their boldness, ferocity and tenacity. They are bred in battle from the moment they are recruited into the WE and most have only seen combat as their way of life and nothing else and by god they know how to kill shit when they really push themselves to it. Remember WE had one of the most renowned and best Assault Companies out of any Legion with plenty of victories to prove it and besides that WE have plenty of ways to cover or counter the advantages that long range armies might have, their not stupid to not notice that CC does have its weak points.

People who have read the SW fluff and books are highly biased in the fact that GW puts more effort into Fanboying them into awesomeness at the exclusion of more deserving legions like WE who have no outstanding fluff source of any kind besides common knowledge and CSM codex and a few notions here and there. SW are also publicized way more then they need to be to gain support since Smurfs are going down the drain in popularity due to well placed criticism. Now to be fair WE would have a tough time against SW because SW are pretty savage (but not as much as WE because of the one thing that seperates them: SW marines have not been Lobotomized to have no Fear at all and the strength of anger that WE thrive from) and SW train alot sure and are a great legion being one of the Anti-legion legions, but how is hunting traits going to help you in combat? lol SW vs WE legion fight would be bloody at best but WE would have the advantage from the traits listed above.

Now Angron and Russ.... where to begin? I will try not to be biased and say Angron wins hands down. haha. Russ is both cunning and brilliant warrior managing to spar Horus and beat up Magnus, but Angron is just a monster when it comes to something he has lived his whole life doing. He not only has the gladitorial skills, but also has the durablity, endurance and strength to boost his martial prowess beyond any measurable level. Angron isnt your typical angry brute who cant hit the broadside of a barn if his life depended on it, but he is more a skilled, gigantic, lethal, and dangerous demon in CC. His Anger fuels his strength and his stubbornness increases his durability, he is a brilliant warrior so he knows every trick in the book when it comes to CC duels. He is not only strong, but to be a good warrior you also need the reflex's and speed to back it up and i'm pretty sure Angron has plenty of everything required to be the best and more. His headstrong personality will make sure he never gives up no matter the odds and he can fight a protracted battle far longer and harder then any other primarch for sure. (omg, i did post highly biased material. lol Go Angron! show them haters how Chaos really kicks some ass.)

I think WE and Angron are fully and utterly capable of taking the SW and Russ head on, and might even destroy them if they had the chance, but at the highest costs and damage only a legion vs legion battle would bring.
 

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hard to say on this one. the wolves are savage in battle just like the world eaters but at least they not outright berserker freaks, though pretty close. it would probably just be a battle where every single one of them would be dead from battle or from the wounds after the fact.

as for angron vs russ ill have to read prospero burns to make a guess but id say this about angron he had a whole mountain fall on him (galaxy in flames?) and he got out like nothing happened and seeing him in 'after de'shea' the guy is a raging psycho but then so is russ but in a more intelligent way.
 

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It wasn't a mountain. No where close.
 

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It wasn't a mountain. No where close.
No it wasn't a mountain but it was still thousands of tonnes. Which is still a shitload.
 

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But not all on him. A ton, even to a marine, is like putting a 200 pound weight on a humans back, difficult maybe but not beyond most peoples ability, and primarchs are many times stronger than a marine. Hell, a building fell down around grimaldus(spelling?) and he managed to pull himself out.
 

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The Guy pulled himself out of double digits of Tons (Even the SMs who new how badass a Primarch is thought he surley bit it) just poped out of the gorund and begin killing like nothing happen. I like to think back to Glaxy in Flames where Saul Tarvitz, hardbitten classic ATSKNF badass leader of the resistance, ran in fear when Angron charge what was left of the loyal WEs.
 
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