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I really dont know but I here Sang, Angron, and Russ are the best fighters. So I was thinking the SWs and WEs are both like hounds of war that must be kept on leashes. So with that said...

(1) SWs Legion vs WEs Legion in a straight up Planetary battle.
(2) Russ fights Angron 1on1.
 

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I would go with Russ, if only seeing as increasing ammounts of fluff point towards Russ truly being created with the intention of being the Anti Primarch.

In his battle with Magnus, he demonstrated powerful blank/black pariah like abilities, and seeing as he is stated as one of the few primarchs to have beat down Horus in combat, as well as take his battle with Lion as a joke. I would say Russ would take this match if only for his uncanny ability to feed off of other primarchs powers and strengths and empower himself with them.

Keep in mind alot of this is all speculation just on what ive read from dwarf articles, prospero, etc.
 

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1: The Wolves. In battle they are pure hatred, but with a mind to control it.

2: I doubt either one of them would survive.
 

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1. Got to go with the Wolves on this one. They have viciousness and skill in combat to match the WE but they fight more cleverly than the WE do.

2. I don't know about this one but I'd go with Angron. They'll probably fight for a while and be a match for each other, Russ will start laughing again because he realises it's pointless and Angron, unlike the Lion who merely sucker punched him, will REALLY take acception to being laughed at and sucker chainaxe him.
 

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Hmmm. I always thought WEs was one of the scariest Legions, during the whole Terra battle it was the World Eaters (with Kharn) that made it furthest into the fortress of the Emperor. I figure they would have a vote or 2 base on pure feats of what that Legion has accomplish through strength alone.

Does anyone else think its funny how the WEs tatics leave them badly mauled but they manage to have a huge supply of warriors to throw at the next battle? Its like a never ending Recruitment. "Want to kill your boss? Angry at your parents? Like it better when a woman is on that time of the month? Then Angrons WEs are the legion for you!"
 

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Well, think of it this way. Chances are you will hear a WE long before you see him and if you can get away you are good. You won't hear a SW battle cry till it is far to late to do anything about it and you can never get away from them. They will follow you till the end of the earth.
 

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If they did they would smell like the WE. What would be the point?
 

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Does anyone else think its funny how the WEs tatics leave them badly mauled but they manage to have a huge supply of warriors to throw at the next battle? Its like a never ending Recruitment.
They're probably using the same make-a-marine-in-a-month technique the Blood Ravens use.:biggrin:

Hmmm... do Space Wolves smell like wet dog after a rainstorm?
 

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1: I back the wolves. Ferocity, but not at the expense of clarity.

2: Russ. Same reason. Both are Berzerkers, but Russ has a sharper mind and an ability to react better to any potential weakness.
 

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1. SW, as people have mentioned, they are beserkers aswell but still tactically sound

2. Hmmm, i want to say Russ, or they would both die. Corax however thinks that Angron would trump Russ
 

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1: I'm not sure... but i think that people underestimate the mental capacity of the WE...

2:pre or post heresy?
if pre then i am not sure here either, but if it is post heresy I would put my bet on the huge raging daemonprimarch....
 

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Angron is hampered by his uncontrollable rages. Russ is not just a fierce warrior; he's as cunning as he is brutal. I go with the Wolf-King.

Where the Legions are concerned, there are just too many variables that we don't know about. We have no idea how large the World Eaters were as opposed to the Space Wolves, or vice-versa. We have no clue what size fleets they brought to bear, either.

My initial thought was that the Space Wolves would have been tactically and strategically more reliable and competent. Consider Skraal from "Battle for the Abyss", though. The stereotype we hold of the World Eaters would lead us to think he would have just gone down in a hail of fire on day one. Instead, he waged a protracted one-man guerilla war, demonstrating cunning, stealth and patience.

Things to ponder.
 

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WEs vs SWs really could go either way. The WEs are savage, not stupid. That stereotype holds no water that the WE would rush headlong into the guns of the SW. It would boil down to if the WEs got close enough. No marine is a match in CC for a WE. WEs are dedicated to CC above all else. It's their form of religous worship. I imagine they're pretty good at it. I'd say the best. They were the legion to breach the defenses of Dorn on Terra. But if the SW could bring their guns to bear and keep the WE out of their lines I could see them winning. The SW aren't pushovers. I rather admire them and their take no crap from anyone attitude.

Angron however would beat Russ like a puppy. Sure, Russ is a fighter. But no primarch ever wanted to face Angron in combat. Corax sure didn't. During the Isstvan massacre Angron killed marines by the dozens and shrugged off a wall collapsing on him. His ferocity and durability know no bounds. It took 100 Grey Knights just to banish him with all their anti-chaos gear plus the combined might of the IG during the Reign of Fire. Angron is the pinnacle CC specialist or Khorne would have sought out a different primarch. Sure, some people think it's all because Angron is an utter savage but lots of Khorne's worshippers are drawn to him to increase their abilities in combat. Rage is the end result. Not the begining.
 

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Angron however would beat Russ like a puppy. Sure, Russ is a fighter. But no primarch ever wanted to face Angron in combat. Corax sure didn't. During the Isstvan massacre Angron killed marines by the dozens and shrugged off a wall collapsing on him. His ferocity and durability know no bounds. It took 100 Grey Knights just to banish him with all their anti-chaos gear plus the combined might of the IG during the Reign of Fire. Angron is the pinnacle CC specialist or Khorne would have sought out a different primarch. Sure, some people think it's all because Angron is an utter savage but lots of Khorne's worshippers are drawn to him to increase their abilities in combat. Rage is the end result. Not the begining.
No primarch ever wanted to fight any other primarch. Just wasn't good for anyone involved. It took 100 GK terms to banish DAEMON PRINCE Angron, 12 bloodthirstes and an army of lesser daemons and chaos marines.

You are aware this is pre-heresy?
 

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hmm..This is a good question, Pre-heresy, I am going with World Eater vs Space wolves, Everyone seems to think that all they could do was roflcopter at the opponent dual chainaxe style, and either die in the process. They were brutal, they were pissed off, they were not stupid.

Space wolve are canny opponents, but you also have to remember, they have a HUGE amount of pride, and a place a vast amount of stake in personal honour, do you really think that going up against the "best close combat legion" Russ and his wolves would just sit there? Heavy weapons blaring from 500 feet away?

Fuck no. They would want to prove themselves able warriors. And in closing with the world eaters, they seal their fates.

In a Russ vs. Angron encounter, Its harder to say, because they were both very skilled, and fought similarily, but I see Angron more as a blistering series of blows forcing their opponent to block until Angron beat them down, while muss may be the same, but he is also cunning enough wait for the opponing and deal the deathblow.

I cant say who would win, but whoever won, he would still come out near enough dead I think.
 

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No primarch ever wanted to fight any other primarch. Just wasn't good for anyone involved. It took 100 GK terms to banish DAEMON PRINCE Angron, 12 bloodthirstes and an army of lesser daemons and chaos marines.

You are aware this is pre-heresy?
Russ and the Lion liked to duke it out. So did Dorn and Kruze. I dunno. I see lots of Primarch vs Primarch. And I'd think the GKs were more than likely there to fight Angron, the root of their problem, rather than the rest of his followers.

You are aware the original post states nothing about this being strictly pre-heresy? :p And even if it was only Pre-Heresy I don't think Russ measures up to Angron's murderous rampages or has the fortitude to shrug of an entire wall collapsing on him. I think Russ has lots of gifts Angron certainly doesn't but in a stand up fight he's gonna get schooled. I still think Russ could beat the snot out of Sanguinius but that's an entirely different thread. :wink:
 

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You are aware the original post states nothing about this being strictly pre-heresy?
Well it assumes the author has the intelligence to figure that out since a DP primarch would make short work of ANY other primarch this must be strictly pre-heresy. Rest of what you said is fine since it is opinion based..... except for the 100 knights. They were sent to eliminate the primarch and his 12 bloodthirsters.
 

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Well, you know what they say about making assumptions don't you?

Plus I don't think a Daemonic Primarch is really that much scarier than the original or you'd have them out of the Eye in one of the Black Crusades and crushing the Imperium into the ground with impunity. I think they would have had the intelligence to figure that out. Especially with all the loyalist primarchs dead, missing, or FUBARed.
 
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