[shadowzarch]

Alright, very quick question

Heres the scenario.
A unit is tank shocked, fails morale, and falls back. Fail back move #1

That unit contunies to fall back in my movement phase after failing to regroup. Fall back move #2

In his shooting phase he shoots the units that is falling back already, and inflicts 25% casualites and says i must then must take another fall back move, but i argued because my morale is already broken, and i'm already falling back, i don't need to. Was i correct?

 

[Flame80010]

you were already falling back so im 99% sure you dont need to take another test

 

[shadowzarch]

Well i figured my guys are already running terrified from this huge tank that almost mowed them down, shooting a couple in the back while running away won't make them run any faster.

 

[darkreever]

Actually, in that scenario you both were correct. Page 46 of the rulebook under morale while falling back. If the unit that is falling back has to take a morale check that is not for the purposes of regrouping that unit automatically fails it.

So yes, your unit took enough casualties to warrant a morale check and you had to take it, however because the unit was already falling back it fails the test automatically because it is not the test to regroup.

 

[Flame80010]

Actually, in that scenario you both were correct. Page 46 of the rulebook under morale while falling back. If the unit that is falling back has to take a morale check that is not for the purposes of regrouping that unit automatically fails it.

So yes, your unit took enough casualties to warrant a morale check and you had to take it, however because the unit was already falling back it fails the test automatically because it is not the test to regroup.

i thought they automaticly passed all moreal tests they are called apon to make except for Regroup tests

 

[DeathKlokk]

i thought they automaticly passed all moreal tests they are called apon to make except for Regroup tests

The opposite is true. Check out BrB pg. 46 under Morale While Falling Back.

 

[reasnd]

So the unit will fail the morale test, but the question still reamins, does it have to make a fall back move in the opponents shooting phase? due to suffering 25%.

 

[VanitusMalus]

well on pg 45 it states "units make a fall back move immediately upon failing a Morale test. In each subsequent Movement phase, they will make further fall back moves" so would lead to believe that when you failed that morale test you should have made an immediate fall back move.

At the bottom of regrouping on pg 46 it says - "If the unit fails its Ld test, (or cannot regroup because of the restrictions given above), then it must immediately continue to fall back."

So if you took another Morale check in his shooting phase and failed it then yeah you would have to make another fall back move immediately.

 

[shadowzarch]

But i thought that the test for the 25% was to test if your unit breaks and falls back, if i'm already falling back shouldn't all further fall back moves take place at the beginning of my momvement phase?

 

[darkreever]

Every time you have to take the test and fail it you will make the move, so if the unit gets shot up and forced to make the test, it will automatically fail it and run further from what I can gather.

 

[Cyklown]

Here's how it works mechanically (in summary. To make sure we're all on the same page, although everyone probably is):
You keep falling back each turn. If he can shoot you enough that it would normally cause you to take a moral check for casualties, you instead autofail it and fall back "faster".