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Strange Article, On Maturity, Slaanesh and 40k

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I know this is my 1st post under this alias, I've been under this name for almost two years now outside of Heresy, back in the day I was a regular on this site under the name The Spore (or it was Spore Mine can't remember) anyway this was my work I use to share on here a long time ago, TheSpore666's DeviantArt Gallery

Anyway this is not why I am here, I am back to bring this discussion to you all, this article dropped this week on BoLS as a guest editorial,

Mobile On Maturity, 40K and Slaanesh - Bell of Lost Souls

Now, skip towards the end where the author is pointing out how Slaanesh is not mature enough and the think of the children rhetoric is being used in the article, basically screaming for GW to remove Slaanesh from the lore and the game.

Now, I have seen this type of thing begin and it won't be long before more weirdos like this start popping up to do this, its the cult of Social Justice, these people will claim that anyone who disagree with them is racist, or sexist, they will claim things need to change and your hobby needs to grow up. Also take note these kind of people DO NOT buy anything they DO NOT care about the hobby its all about pushing an agenda and forcing their politics, they are loud but few in numbers most the time.

Its happened in Comics, its happened to Movies, its been happening to other TTGaming communities, and most recently the #GamerGate thing where its happened in Video Games.

I love 40k and I just want to get the word out before more of this starts to happen in the 40k community. I just want people to know DO NOT let this happen, u have to refute them and push back hard on them to show them they need to stop.

I talk about this stuff in both comics and 40k in the below links:


What are everyone's thoughts on this

***Understand I am not here to shill my YT channel I just wanna to make sure people are aware before they truly push to demonize the community****
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I read the BoLS piece though I haven't listened to your reactions. I think this is a storm in a teacup.

I think the author makes a number of very points about what qualifies mature content. I also agree with him that wargaming isn't the best medium for mature discourse. I also think his final supposition that slaanesh could be a FW property isn't unreasonable, however I think that conclusion misses the point.

My rejoinder is: there are a number of assumptions and conclusions in this piece, which to the best of my knowledge are wrong. First, that 40k is a game for children. It wasn't originally conceived of that way. Reading through the early publications like Rogue Trader and Realms of Darkness, these are not intended for kids. The realms books included a mature audiences warning. Second edition of 40k was a little more appropriate for younger players, but not much.

Only with the drastic redesign of the game for 3rd edition (ugh, how I despised 3rd Ed!) was 40k targeted to early teen or preteen players. During this time there was also a real concern about how to handle slaanesh. Gw purportedly produced something like 25 sculpts of the keeper of secrets before they could re-release the model to a game with a younger audience. I think the entire arc of 40k development between 3rd edition and the 5th has been marred by the same problems. Gw has simultaneously increased prices and reduced the maturity level of the game (both rules and content) so that only the children of the wealthy or working adults could afford the game. This alienates the core demographic of 16-25 (ish) players who are growing into more mature forms of media and often prices them out of participation.

Interestingly, the last 2 editions of 40k have seemingly doubled down on targeting that more mature demographic again. The content of the games and the complexity of the rules are once more moving into more grown up territory.

The other major error the author made is in identifying the chaos gods as nothing more than heavy metal album art on steroids. The chaos gods represent primal emotions and urges carried to their most extreme. As though the 7 deadly sins were trimmed down to 4, khorne is rage, nurgle is fear, tzeentch is greed, and slaanesh is lust.

The only way the author's point may be valid is if there are, as he suggests women, men, or LGBTQ players who are offended by Slaanesh. I'm interested to know if there are gamers who are offended by slaanesh. And obviously, I can't speak for any of those groups. I think slaanesh characters and art clearly borrows from BDSM culture and equipment so I could see members being offended. Though I would argue that slaanesh isn't about sex or fun or food or any one pursuit in particular but all of them and taken to their utmost extreme, and anything taken too far is detrimental. The game isn't for kids. As @neferhet has so eloquently pointed out genocide is ok, but tits are objectionable?

Gw needs to tone down marketing 40k to kids. Unless there are players truly offended by slaanesh is a silly argument. I even recall an article or press release from GW about the difference between 40k and Age of Sigmar, where the GW writers claimed that AoS was intended for younger audiences, hence 2 pages of rules, no points, and no slaanesh! And they were reserving 40k as their game for more mature audiences.

So all of that said, I can't speak for anyone but I'm interested in the opinions of other members of this forum.
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