[psactionman]

I re-read the rulebook today and I have been playing Stormravens and other flyers wrong. Just to see if it is just me who is crazy, I have a question for you. How many weapons can a Stormraven fire at full BS in a turn they did not Jink?

 

[mayegelt]

4 if they moving combat or cruising while zooming.
2 if hovering and cruising speed.
All if hovering but also moving combat speed or stationary.

 

[Gret79]

Does power of the machine spirit not mean 5 guns?
4 and 1 extra due to potms.
I'd love to be wrong though - I hate the damn things :grin:

 

[mayegelt]

Yes if the vehicle has PotMS will give it an extra attack.
Remember the Chaos Version of a Stormraven doesn't get PotMS. As I wasn't sure if you were talking about SM, CSM or GK so didn't include the extra PotMS attack.

 

[Deus Mortis]

Well, PotMS only gives it another weapon to fire if it HAS another weapon it could fire.

For example, my Grey Knight Storm Raven has a twin-linked Multi-Melta, a twin-linked Plasma Cannon, 2 Hurricane Bolters (1 on each side) and 4 Mindstrike missiles (of which it can only fire 2 in a turn). That means it has a total of 6 weapons it COULD fire. So if it it is Zooming, with PotMS, it can fire any 5 of those 6 weapons and one can be at a different target to the rest.

Now, let's say that the Storm Raven only has a twin-linked Multi-Melta, a twin-linked Plasma Cannon, and 4 Mindstrike missiles (of which it can only fire 2 in a turn). That means that it has a total of 4 weapons it can fire on any given turn. Now, you can use PotMS to allow one of those weapons to fire at a different target, but you can still only fire 4 weapons, because the Storm Raven only has 4 weapons it CAN fire. PotMS doesn't let you fire one of those weapons twice.

 

[psactionman]

Well, my gaming group and I have been operating under the impression it was 4 weapons period, even if they had other weapons to fire. Apparently it was just us...now I feel quite the dumb.

 

[mayegelt]

Yeah PotMS gives you an additional one, regardless of what vehicle.

 

[ntaw]

Remember the Chaos Version of a Stormraven doesn't get PotMS.

Whoa, did I miss something? When did Chaos get the Stormraven?!

...or do you think you're talking about Land Raiders?

 

[Mossy Toes]

Whoa, did I miss something? When did Chaos get the Stormraven?!

...or do you think you're talking about Land Raiders?

I assume Forge World; mayegelt tends to rhapsodize about Zhufor and Storm Eagles, etc.

 

[mayegelt]

As Mossy said, its one of the impy armour books as far as I remember. I know Imp Armour Apoc 2013 has Storm Eagle, I think Storm Raven is in a separate one, might be mistaken.

 

[ntaw]

Ah, right. IA books. One day maybe I'll go that far...

and 4 Mindstrike missiles (of which it can only fire 2 in a turn)

I can't seem to find the rule that states Fliers are only allowed to fire 2 missiles per turn in the 7th book, it used to be in the Flier section but is no more. Only limit on Flier's shooting I see is that they can only fire 4 weapons per turn.

 

[Deus Mortis]

I have neither the Rulebook or the Grey Knight codex in front of me, so I might have got that wrong. I thought you could only fire 2 missiles a turn and I can't recall if that was in the Rulebook or the codex...

Either way, I think my point was clear enough, even with that little fumble.

 

[ntaw]

Absolutely, point made. In the 6th edition BRB it was stated in the Fliers section that they could only fire two missiles per turn, while in the 7th edition BRB I can find no such contingency. Just curious as to where your info came from, since I can't seem to find any current rules substantiating it.

 

[OIIIIIIO]

Yes ... in 7th you can fire all missiles if you want. The restriction of only firing 2 was from 6th.

 

[ntaw]

In that case, I look forward to firing all four Bloodstrike missiles at a single tank and PotMS-ing my turret weapons elsewhere. This definitely pleases me...glad that rule wasnt hanging out elsewhere and I missed it.