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But here's the thing. 40k and Fantasy have always had equivalent armies. Eldar/High Elves, Dark Eldar/Dark Elves, Necrons/Tomb Kings, Chaos Warriors/Chaos Marines, Orks/Orcs. I don't remember people complaining about the obvious similarities in any of these.
This is very true. Making fantasy Space Marine equivalents makes perfect business sense really.
 

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I hope that the introduction of the Stormcast leads to the Celestial Lions being reborn from the ashes of Armageddon and brought back to being a chapter again!
 

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I'm sorry, but trying to argue that these two sets of super soldiers designed to transcend humanity by divine beings and fight an eternal war against the enemies of humanity is a pretty pointless exercise. SMs is exactly what the Eternals are, and looking at the small print of their fluff isn't going to change that.
 

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Absolutely, the concept is virtually identical. So why are people getting so worked up about it? Why does it matter?
It shouldn't really matter at all. Unless someone is looking for a way to disparage a product that they don't like, and are trying to use it as evidence of some kind of flaw in the game/ business model/ aesthetic preferences of other people.
 

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you don't play, you don't understand, you don't have any impact of the game, who are you to complain about other people complaining about what happened to the game they have played for 15years?

The game looks like it has taken the worst bits of 40k and warcraft amd melded them together. The fluff sounds like something that your kid wrote on take your child to work day.

Maybe it is me that is just angry that it has taken Age of sigmar to make me realise that I am playing a game for children. Whereas in the past I could fool myself with the gorgeous models, I am now bbarded with parody after parody of Lasers and space marines eagled with flying chariots...

Nope. This game is done, and this company is gettimg NOTHING more from me.



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People dont like AoS
Why?
because many reasons but sigmarines mainly
but sigmarines are awesome why don't people like them?
because space marine knock offs
but space marines are awesome must be instant win how come your opinion is exactly the opposite of GW's 'logic'?
Because its not warhammer
but they are in age of sigmar why dont you like them?

Thats pretty much how this conversation is. If I wanted to play Space Marines I'd play 40k. If I wanted some retarded inbred leper baby crossed with 40k, fantasy, the worst bits of warcraft and then pushed in my face and it felt like I had to deep throat it like an engorged clit with the attitudes of some people and the website itself, I would be gagging and spitting and giving that bad boy chode the full roman shower.

But I don't. Is it notable that there weren't threads like this when LotR was released? Is it notable that this pissed off attitude is pretty similar to what happened when Specialist games were killed off, so no epic, mordheim, etc? I think the answer to both is yes, and that it is also notable that this AoS boxset, meant to be the start of GW anew and revatilase the conpany has barely shifted it from where its stocks were prior to release. For all the good it has done so far (considering it is a brand new game amd the resources dumped into it) it might as well have not existed.

It is still early days, but I wonder how happy the boardmeeting will be later on when they see a shift in stocks of only 1p for every £.

As for yourselves, are you helping GW out any? Are you buying more GW than you did before? Will your annual spend increase because of GW producing this new game? Keep your 40k 'commitments' with the addition of your new AoS? If not, then again, it does GW no benefit.

So what was the point in fucking off almost universally the entire warhammer fantasy fambase? End Times started off decent, encouraging the use of the Tonka toys that you otherwise lacked points for, but then come book 3 it got retarded again. And steadily worse to the state that people didn't really care that Skaven got even more stupidly broken.

The fanbase locally goes befween 'eh', don't care, selling their stuff and just anger. There have been precisely three sales of AoS in the local GW, all by curious fantasy players to see if it as bad as the rumours said. No one is excited by the prospect, apart from some who are taking absolute delight in this game perfoming an epic suicide.



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I'm sorry, but trying to argue that these two sets of super soldiers designed to transcend humanity by divine beings and fight an eternal war against the enemies of humanity is a pretty pointless exercise. SMs is exactly what the Eternals are, and looking at the small print of their fluff isn't going to change that.
Ok, well by that rationale there are only two races in Fantasy that aren't rip-offs of 40k then. Lizardmen and Skaven. So does that mean that the Tomb Kings, which have a hell of a lot in common with the Necrons, are as pointless as the Stormcast as their detractors seem to think? Or that the High Elves, which by this logic would just be Eldar without any advanced technology, are pointless copies of their space-bound counterparts?

The small details matter. Both in fiction and life.

The fluff sounds like something that your kid wrote on take your child to work day.

Nope. This game is done, and this company is gettimg NOTHING more from me.
I don't see that. I really don't see what makes the Fantasy lore, which was good, any better or worse than the Age of Sigmar lore, which is also good.

I'm sure they'll survive the loss.


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Ok, well by that rationale there are only two races in Fantasy that aren't rip-offs of 40k then. Lizardmen and Skaven.
First up, lets remember that 40k is a rip-off of WFB, not the other way around. And Lizardmen were once part of the 40k lore. Skaven also have their counterparts in the form of Hrud, even if they haven't been fleshed out very much.

As for a WFB equivalent of SMs, they always existed in the form of knights, the original inspiration for SMs. Heavily armed and armoured warriors a step up from the normal line troops. There are even chapter equivalents in the form of Reiksguard or Knights of the White Wolf. But they obviously weren't genetically modified/magically empowered enough for GW.
 

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In Boston, there has been a surge of interest, and sales both of the box set, and of fantasy in general.
I've actually started a chaos army because of this. I can use the daemons to ally with my Orks in 40k when summoned, as well as for AoS in their own right. If it hadn't been for AoS, I probably wouldn't have bought those items with the intention of starting another army, not yet anyway.
I had looked at WHFB, but whilst there were a handful of regulars who played, there wasn't enough interest to justify the expense and effort of building a dedicated army. If it wasn't exactly dead, it was on life support, even in the local games club.

Anyway, all that said, it seems that the only reason that there is a problem with the similarity between SM's and Sigmarites is because it is perceived to be symptomatic of the problem with GW.
I don't know about that, except that locally, in the upcoming AoS tournament being organised in the Boston GW store, order accounts for a fraction of the armies being played. Chaos is the overwhelmingly preferred faction, followed by Destruction.
 

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The manager is organising it and he briefly explained the rules to me. The warlord is a non-named character, you must have 2 troops and there are restrictions on artillery cavalry and monsters but I can't remember exactly what they were. It should be interesting to see how it goes.
 

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I'm painting my stormcast eternals as Ultramarines. And you know what? I'm having a blast with it. Age of Sigmar is a ton of fun, and I can just go "GROUND MAHRINES, CHARGE!" We've been playing the shit out of it, and at the store, we all just shrugged and went, "You know what? This is awesome, having not Space Marine paladin-y guys who are clearly Space Marines." It's about fun, and if you don't believe Age of Sigmar is about being ridiculous and fun, go look at the Orc warscrolls and tell me you still don't think so.
 
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