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After seeing all the flaming on the net about the Sigmarines, I have decided to collate information together to show that while the Stormcast Eternals do share some similar features to the Space Marines, they are actually quite different. So let us begin;


Firstly we'll look at background. A Space Marine, no matter his Chapter of origin, will have mostly the same backstory. Born on a Feral/Death/Hive/etc world, chosen for the Chapter by either genetic selection, trials to find the most worthy, or some other method and is uplifted to become a Space Marine. He is always and invariably a pre-teen male human child, because that is the only option to create a Space Marine due to the Primarchs themselves being male and the xenophobic attitude of the Imperium. Though the minute details will differ, and do produce wildly different results, ultimately each Space Marine shares a similar background to every other Space Marine in existence.

The Stormcast on the other hand have much different origins. For starters they are not limited to one gender, both male and female warriors can be elevated to become Stormcast. That alone creates a great deal of variety in that the Stormcast themselves seem to identify as male, but if some of them were originally female, how would that affect the personalities they create or are created for them during their Forging? Would it change how other Stormcast view them? Would their female personalities be subsumed or would they actually retain knowledge that they were once women? Next, they are not limited to a single race. When Sigmar uplifted those that would become the first Stormcast, he didn't limit himself to his own race. Heroes from the Aelfs, both Higborn (Asur) and Exiles (Druchii) and even Wanderers (Wood), Duardin (Dwarves), and even the Orruks (Orcs) were chosen and elevated. So underneath that Stormcast armour there could actually be the soul of a Dark Aelf or an Orc, perhaps even a Vampire or a Giant; what could that mean to a Stormcast? Would they retain memories of what race they used to be? And if they do how could a Dark Aelf, admittedly one that was a hero against Chaos, fit into an army based around honour and loyalty? Could there be a divide between the human and non-human Stormcast, or does their diversity make them stronger?

Another differing aspect of background is that where Space Marines are uniformally children, Stormcast could have been any age. Some might have been children that showed heroism, but the majority would have been adults with fully formed personalities. One reason that Space Marines show such stilted personalities in comparison to mortals is that they are changed before their personalities can develop fully, whereas a Stormcast already has a full personality. I am not sure at the moment if each Stormcast has full access to the memories of his/her previous life, some might do and some may not, but each Stormcast would have a full range of emotion and understanding that a Space Marine would lack because they had time to actually develop these personality aspects before their Ascension.


Next we look at death. When a Space Marine dies, he dies period. He ain't coming back. Stormcast on the other hand can and will come back. When a Stormcast is slain they are sent back to Sigmaron and reforged until they can fight again, similar to Chaos Daemons. However this comes with a price, every time a Stormcast is reforged they lose a piece of their personality. Eventually this builds up and the Stormcast is left an automaton that has no thought beyond fighting and dying again and again against the hordes of Chaos until either total victory or defeat. This means that unlike the Space Marines each Stormcast is, or will be, ancient as they amass centuries of warfare with no end in sight. When a Space Marine dies his experience is lost, but a Stormcast can come back and keep fighting. But the build up of fracturing in personality means that each Stormcast will differ not just in personality but capability of thought as well, some may be far along this spectrum and be little more than robots, while some may not have died at all and have their full range of memory and personality. This means that the Stormcast will have a wider range of personality to each character that sets them apart from the Space Marines.

More to come as more information is released.


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All Stormcast are human, it is in their Keyword, they are not drawn up from other races.
 

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All Stormcast are human, it is in their Keyword, they are not drawn up from other races.
That's just for the rules. The lore does state that other races were used in the creation of the Stormcast.


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What makes them similar to Space Marines? They're in heavy armour (which resembles the Chaos Armour on the plastic Chaos Lord far more than it resembles any Space Marine), they're not regular humans (but not genetically enhanced, more divinely empowered), they fight Chaos (but appear to be religious, whereas most Space Marines are not).

A good write-up and summary of the lore though, thanks :victory:
 

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They are not similar to Space Marines at all because they are Lightning warriors, Not thunder warriors so cannot possibly be along that design ethos, their power armour with massive pauldrons and lightning symbology is like nothing of the Space Marines, they wear Death Masks, NOT skull masks, (except that one NOT Chaplain dude because Notspace marine so hes not a chaplain).

Thunder hammers? Nah, don't be daft, they are lightning hammers completely different. And they don't just strike from the heavens like a Thunderbolt, they literally come from a Thunderbolt. Yes, their not drop pods are thunderbolts.

As for having personalities, they are still written to be one dimensional charictatures except when it suits (a bit like Space Marines).

If they werent space marines, a greater effort would/should have been taken to seperate them in aesthetics and fluff than reborn/reforged 'heroes' given ultra powerful weapons and armour operating in a similar manner to the greatest part of the IP.

It is like stating that orruks and Orks are completely different. They are and they're not. In fantasy, the Daemon crossover made 'sense'. They were unashamedly the same. Here is is a half baked cop off. And smells funky.



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They are not similar to Space Marines at all because they are Lightning warriors, Not thunder warriors so cannot possibly be along that design ethos, their power armour with massive pauldrons and lightning symbology is like nothing of the Space Marines, they wear Death Masks, NOT skull masks, (except that one NOT Chaplain dude because Notspace marine so hes not a chaplain).

Thunder hammers? Nah, don't be daft, they are lightning hammers completely different. And they don't just strike from the heavens like a Thunderbolt, they literally come from a Thunderbolt. Yes, their not drop pods are thunderbolts.

As for having personalities, they are still written to be one dimensional charictatures except when it suits (a bit like Space Marines).

If they werent space marines, a greater effort would/should have been taken to seperate them in aesthetics and fluff than reborn/reforged 'heroes' given ultra powerful weapons and armour operating in a similar manner to the greatest part of the IP.

It is like stating that orruks and Orks are completely different. They are and they're not. In fantasy, the Daemon crossover made 'sense'. They were unashamedly the same. Here is is a half baked cop off. And smells funky.
For someone who claims all the new Age of Sigmar stuff is stupid and dont like it at all there is one thing I dont understand? Why come here all the time and just spread negativity..?? If you dont like it, fine thats your call, but please stop all of this bashing, it does no one any good and you just come of even more whiny then you already do and it is getting really tiresome....
 

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Personally, guys in gold armour with a lightning fetish who arrive via what from the artwork is a carbon copy of the Bifrost and live in Azyrheim who fight to police the 9 Realms (8 winds + Chaos) screams 'Shit, we didn't get the rights to make a Marvel Universe wargame and join that gigantic money maker of a franchise, better make a totally-not Thor wargame' than 'Space Marines'.
 

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Here's how I think it breaks down. Are Stormcast Eternals the same as Space Marines? No. Are they similar? Certainly. The real question though is, why is that a problem? So GW took inspiration from the most popular 40k army to try to invigorate Age of Sigmar. That just makes good business sense. The people who are complaining it are probably the same people who complain that GW don't do market research too.

But here's the thing. 40k and Fantasy have always had equivalent armies. Eldar/High Elves, Dark Eldar/Dark Elves, Necrons/Tomb Kings, Chaos Warriors/Chaos Marines, Orks/Orcs. I don't remember people complaining about the obvious similarities in any of these.

I like Space Marines. I like Stormcast Eternals. If you don't like Space Marines, you probably won't like Stormcast Eternals. The fortunate thing for you is that you have the choice of a bunch of other armies to choose from.
 

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THAT I can live with, its their own cinematic universe they are depicting not the actual norse panteon where Heimdall was actualy the palest fucker out there.
And it's the Marvel cinematic universe that Stormcast Eternals resemble, like identically. I'm not talking about the original Scandinavian mythology - reading the fluff book that comes with the AoS starter set, I had to double check to see that I wasn't reading the screenplay for Marvel's Thor.
 

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But here's the thing. 40k and Fantasy have always had equivalent armies. Eldar/High Elves, Dark Eldar/Dark Elves, Necrons/Tomb Kings, Chaos Warriors/Chaos Marines, Orks/Orcs. I don't remember people complaining about the obvious similarities in any of these.
Exactly my point. Both the Space Marine and Stormcast are supersoldiers made solely for war, they are each other's equivalent in the other game. Does that mean they are the same thing? No. It's the detail that matter, as always, and they say to me that the Stormcast and the Space Marines are quite distinct from each other.


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...The real question though is, why is that a problem?... .
I don't play Marines, but I have been wondering what exactly the problem is with that myself?

I think it's just another thing to bash GW with, inferring that they have no imagination and must re-invent something from a popular franchise to sell in their new one.
I don't know why that matters.
 

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I would do exactly the same if I was in charge of GW, people like marines, like crazy much! Why not bring them into a system that struggels, it can really do no harm.
 
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