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I was reading up about the Space Wolves and stumbled upon this curious bit:

However, Leman Russ suffered no interference where his Legion was concerned, and flatly refused to listen to Guilliman. According to the Wolf Lord Bulveye of the Legion's 13th Great Company, Russ once dared strike the Emperor in person when He offered criticism to Russ. What the volatile Primarch would not accept from his Father, he would certainly not tolerate from his brother. Only when the situation almost devolved into another Imperial civil war did Leman Russ seemingly relent. The canny Primarch pulled a sleight of hand on his brother Guilliman, ostensibly agreeing to separate the Space Wolves Legion into thirteen independent Great Companies, each roughly a Chapter in strength. The Great Companies, however, already were semi-autonomous, each with their own armouries, starship support and answering to their Jarl or Wolf Lord only, with all of the Jarls answering only to Russ. In essence, Russ' acquiescence changed nothing in the modus operandi of the Space Wolves Legion save for its official table of organisation. Guilliman, with a whole Imperium to rebuild, never had the time to verify that Russ had indeed implemented the teachings of the Codex, and took the Wolf King at his word. The consequence was that today, when all the Great Companies assemble under the Great Wolf's banner, the Space Wolves Chapter numbers far, far more than a thousand Astartes and is the largest currently in existence, save perhaps for the Black Templars Chapter, which has an eerily similar disregard for the Codex Astartes; and maintains a structure of autonomous Crusades answering only to an officer known as the High Marshal.

The gist of it. The space wolves essentially numbers about 12.000 marines?! The lost 13th not included in this count.
 

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You should do a thread search, as this very issue was extensively debated a year or so ago.
 

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Well Space Wolves and Black Templars did that, as well as DA with their Unforgiven Legion who answer to Supreme Grand Master Azrael. You could also argue that Ultramarine and BA successor chapters would be very loyal to their father chapter, especially second founding ones.
Legion building while frowned upon, can't be stopped. Some chapters see their cause to the Emperor above the cause to Imperium.
Look at Astral Claws, they pretty much did what UM are doing except they decided to bolster ranks of their own chapter instead of creating successors. Really pity those guys too.
 

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According to the Wolf Lord Bulveye of the Legion's 13th Great Company, Russ once dared strike the Emperor in person when He offered criticism to Russ.
I highly doubt that :laugh:
 

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Look at Astral Claws, they pretty much did what UM are doing except they decided to bolster ranks of their own chapter instead of creating successors. Really pity those guys too.
Yeah, because instead of splitting up the power of thousand of Space Marines across multiple Chapter Masters (thus reducing the chance of a single despot leading a mini-Legion against the Imperium), Huron just, ya know, built a mini-Legion with a single leader at its head.

Totally the same.

One of the biggest reasons the Codex Astartes was implemented was precisely to prevent something like the Astral Claws mini-Legion from forming and eventually turning against the Imperium.

True, he had good intentions, but that doesn't matter in the end.
 
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