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I apologize if this offends anyone off the bat, this is not my intention!

So....The girlfriend and I were painting on the couch. She noticed a few excerpts from the SM codex about SM being "superhuman" and asked me how so? I explained to her the process one undergoes to become a SM and the changes it makes upon the prospects body. She then noticed the bio on Lukas the Trickster, and joked that he "bedded" so many woman at once. It got us thinking, can a Space Marine engage in sexual intercourse? I explained my theory of they couldn't because of the drastic changes on their bodies.
While it may excite some women to think of a burly 9/10 ft tall marine, they have strength and size to match......she surmised that they would crush any female's body, given their strength. She also interjected they would probably stand out and intimidate most human women ( I showed her Space Wolves and Salamanders) I added to the theory that the weren't created with that in mind, so reproductive organs/functions probably don't work, not to mention the level of almost religious devotion makes me think they wouldn't be too concerned with that anyway. Well, with destructive Xenos, Renegades, daemons running around, who would have the time:laugh:
She then interjected, "And what girl would want to make out with a guy that has acidic spit, morning breath is bad enough"
Yes, she a regular comedian......
Any thoughts?
 

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I have heard that their reproductive organs are somehow disabled or removed, but that said, I haven`t actually read it anywhere. So... unsure of that, really.

Lukas? Maybe it refers to his time as a human before his initiation. But who knows?

If they can, I doubt it would be an experience easily forgotten for said women.:laugh:
 

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I've heard some chapters that live amongst their home world inhabitants, but I don't think it would be a stretch to think out of the tens of thousands of space marines there aren't a couple horny bastards here and there. However, if their reproductive organs are disabled then... thats going to be hard. If any marines have a sexual tendency I would say that perhaps the Emperor's Children have it with their enhanced organs and body parts that always hunger for the sense of pleasure.
 

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Serving a half dead guy is bad enough... but having your dick removed too???
Screw that!
Id be marching into the Emperors Children's base and saying "Where do i sign up?".
 

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The psycho-indoctrination they are subjected to removes sexual instinct as surely as it banishes fear and other unwanted stimuli.

The behavior of Slaneeshi-worshipping Chaos Space Marines, however, shows that they can still act on said instincts if they are re-introduced.

Also see "Rynn's World": a Crimson Fists Chapter Master in the past sought to have breeding programs using Aspirants who weren't left sterilized by the process of induction. This would imply that, while "intimacy" is possible given a removal of indoctrination, you probably don't have to worry about Space Marine-lings. :D
 

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It is possible for space marines to feel intimacy. Ragnar sort of falls in love with an inquisitor, even though he isn't supposed to be able to, in one of the space wolves books.

So I would say yes space marines can have intimate feelings towards people.
 

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I believe Lukas bedded that amount of women before he became a Space Wolf. I myself tend to think that the Astartes are not able to reproduce, or have sex at that matter, however until Games-Workshop/Black Library state otherwise, it is more or less impossible for us to even get on the correct path.
 

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I don't think they have anything removed, though I do believe their gene boosting and training makes it rare for them to ever engage in or even want sex. Even then, I rather think they're more likely to have it with one another than they are with random women on random worlds, though that's up for some level of debate.
 

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It is hard to have sex when there is a giant metal plate welded to your groin.
 

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I don't think they get their willy chopped off. But I do think their brain is rewired somehow so that their sex drive is repressed or rewired so that they are driven to perform other tasks.
There are a couple of references in the novels to Space Marines finding women attractive and (according to my girlfriend) a couple of relationship that could have even become romantic if they had been given time to grow and one half of the couple hadn't been killed or otherwise removed from the equation.
Just look at Garviel Loken and Mercedes Oliton the remembrancer from the HH series she found him inhuman but studly and even described him as Adonian according to the Mrs who's knowledgeable about such things a romance was definatly brewing there. Then theres Ragnar and his Inquisitor and then there's Gabriella and Toran from the second space wolf trilogy he was more devoted to her than his entire chapter.
 

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I think that if they were capable of doing the nasty, they probably could have avoided the entire Heresy. Its both a stress-reliever, and it gives them a greater 'stake' in the survival of mankind, as it were...
 

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Since there is no fluff stateing that becomeing a marine effects either 'performance' or sex drive, I'm presuming that they are both physically capable and have the psychological potential.

The Emperors Children are stated as haveing spent the seige of the Emperors palce "slaughtering more than a million people and rendering them down to create endless varietys of drugs and stimulants. Countless thousands more died to give the legionnaires more direct, if cruder enjoyment'. (Slaves to darkness p263). I realise this is old fluff and refers to CSM, but it does suggest they were sateing a twisted sexual urge. Although it should be noted that one possible explainantion for noise marines is impotence.

"Come to bed" whispered the Daemonette.
"Erm, I think I'll just stay here listening to some er... music" replied the embarrased marine.

Likewise the rendering down to create drugs might of been the Emperors Childrens attempt to create a from of Viagra that actually worked on their enhanced physiology.

But with astartes in general, it should be remembered that if they have a sex drive it should supposedly be suppressed. The Astartes are portrayed as being like warrior monks and the Chaplains monitor their adherance to this, punishing digressions.

When not in battle they spend their time training, meditating or generally trying to improve their devotion to the Emperor. Even chapters that havee feasts and drinking do this within the confines of the chapter, not visiting bars on their local planets.

Now I'm not going to go into the homo-erotisism of this lifestyle (ian Watson manged to cover that). Or the hypocrisys of religious and monastic lifestyles. If you want that, please watch or read 'The Name of the Rose'. (Do both, you won't be disapointed). But sucha lifestyle, no matter which religion or cause your devoted to, is meant to allow an individual to rise about basic physical needs and devote their life to the higher cause that their order is devoted to. So to be an astartes, you would have to be an exceptional individual who can rise above the basic needs and temptations of life. This is actually something that any individual can achieve, through the developing control and breaking basic habits. Which is what makes the astartes such exceptional individuals.

Astartes do fail at this. The numbers that go over to chaos have basically given into temptation in its various forms (power, bloodlust, basic lust etc.) and so weild all the powers of the astartes, with out the self control of the monastic life.

So to cut a long story short, yes they are capable of sex. But being basically monks, they don't really think about it or engage in sexual acts.
 

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Well, it seems Bakunin summed up my thoughts on this subject. Anyone else what to interject? Anyone have some canonical evidence?
 

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I read somewhere that the Salamanders chapter supported polygamy (having multiple wives) whether or not they actually do the "horizontal monster mash" is left to the imagination I guess. As for Loken and Mercedes, aren't there numerous occurrences where she was checking him out? she always referred to him as being attractive.
 

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The thing about threads like this is that there is no conclussive answer because GW are never going to give one. They are trying desperately to aim the game at a younger and younger audience and it's not going too go down to well if Little Johnny's parents decide to have a look in his latest book and read a whole chapter about Space Marines knobbing the hell out of anything with a pulse!
It's the same as asking whether or not Skeletor ever bumped uglies with Evil Lyn, it was a cartoon for kids, the writers are never going to say!
 

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I am aware of a wolf lord attempting to woo a woman...... Although it turned out to be a sleneshi and so too were the rest of her friends and the lord and his retinue were never seen again but yeah. Although tbh I don't really think you could base the standard marine policy on the matter on the wolves and their exploits.
 

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I agree i believe the SM are capable of sex one that must be noted is this

Even though SM are trained hardcore into what they are one must remember they are still human and will still have the same flaws as anyone else. Hence why marines turn to chaos as well but anyway. They may not trully feel physical attraction towards women they feel emotional attraction which happens many tims in the 40k universe.

IMO i feel this what is missing from many of the books most SM characters are very much cookie cutter made. Almost every SM has the same exact personallity which i feel if they were given more emotion or personality it would make them more intresting.
This has been done in some cases. Read Soul Hunter this book i cant put down just because Talos and all his buddies each have a mind of there own. They converse, complain, and the unthinkable joke around with each other.
 
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