The rulebook is clear that a dice can only be rerolled once - the Swarmlord's bonesabers will force each successful invulnerable save to be rerolled once. (BRB p2, Re-Rolls and Roll-Offs boxout)
Something odd about the Bonesabres
Thus not familiar, the Tyranid Special character named the Swarmlord has weapons that if you pass an invulnerable save made against inflicted wounds by the swarmlord, you must reroll them.
So I was looking at the bonesabre rule, I noticed that it makes no mention of you having to reroll only once. I just checked the official GW Tyranid FAQ and they make no mention of it either. Now I believe you'd only have to reroll a passed save once since I don't think I've ever come across an instance where you had to keep rerolling until you fail.
However, I'm wondering that since there is no official ruling that states that the bonesabre's wounds only force one reroll, could you argue that your opponent must keep rerolling his Inv until he receives a wound? Or is there a rule in the BGB that I'm overlooking that supersedes this?
Just a thought, what do you all think?
So I was looking at the bonesabre rule, I noticed that it makes no mention of you having to reroll only once. I just checked the official GW Tyranid FAQ and they make no mention of it either. Now I believe you'd only have to reroll a passed save once since I don't think I've ever come across an instance where you had to keep rerolling until you fail.
However, I'm wondering that since there is no official ruling that states that the bonesabre's wounds only force one reroll, could you argue that your opponent must keep rerolling his Inv until he receives a wound? Or is there a rule in the BGB that I'm overlooking that supersedes this?
Just a thought, what do you all think?
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Logically, you would make only a single roll.
Making two rolls is pointless when the first is ignored.
Making two rolls is pointless when the first is ignored.
You would reroll every dice, and the results of the second roll are completely independent of the first. There is no point at all in rerolling everything, it makes absolutely no difference.Eldar only applies if you fail. Swarmlord only applies if you pass. One re-roll.
I mean, you could-
Roll 10 4++ saves.
5/10 pass. 5/10 fail.
Swarmlord forces the 5 passes to reroll.
Fortune forces the 5 failures to reroll.
Reroll all 10 4++ saves.
5/10 pass. 5/10 fail.
Or simply-
Acknowledge everything must be rerolled. Don't bother, as it makes no difference at all.
Roll 10 4++ saves.
That's not in the Eldar FAQ.
Shadow in the Warp has indeed changed, and you're right that there is nothing in the Eldar FAQ about rerolls (such as Swarmlord vs Fortune) cancelling.
Really?I did quite well in statistics.
But only against the Shadow from a Hive Tyrant. :toot:
I'm rolling all my dice right now, and splitting them into ones that rolled 1-3 and ones that roll 4-6. Next time I roll them they'll reverse those results so I'll be able to control my rolling, right?
Oh hey, I remember this situation coming up before in this thread. 13 pages of hurp durp :crazy:.
But you're just as likely to roll another four ones.We are ofc assuming that the dice act as they are meant to which is almost never the case the warlock taking 4 saves could indeed roll 4 1's, in which case u would certainly want the fortune re-roll as it increases your odds of survival.Dice almost never act as probability states so the re-rolls should be rolled anyway.
I mean, if you just like rolling dice go for it - and of course, reroll your warlock's hypothetical four sixes, too.
I posted this a couple of pages back-
And the response was thatForkbanger said:You would reroll every dice, and the results of the second roll are completely independent of the first. There is no point at all in rerolling everything, it makes absolutely no difference.
I mean, you could-
Roll 10 4++ saves.
5/10 pass. 5/10 fail.
Swarmlord forces the 5 passes to reroll.
Fortune forces the 5 failures to reroll.
Reroll all 10 4++ saves.
5/10 pass. 5/10 fail.
Or simply-
Acknowledge everything must be rerolled. Don't bother, as it makes no difference at all.
Roll 10 4++ saves.
Your useful, well-explained example is equally useless to him because the Swarmlord cannot inflict 36 wounds on a unit. Good effort that I hope some others in the thread will appreciate and understand, though.lokis222 said:A swarmlord only gets 4 attacks, of which only 2 will wound and those saves should be re-rolled. Unless, as someone mentioned, there is an FAQ stating otherwise. To do otherwise is a house rule.
The odds of rolling four ones are the same in both rolls. :toot:Math failure. :laugh:
Odds of rolling four ones-
1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6.
Odds of rolling four ones again-
1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6.
Both rolls carry the same probability, and are equally likely.
1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6.
Odds of rolling four ones again-
1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6 x 1/6.
Both rolls carry the same probability, and are equally likely.
Since we're at the point where loki is catastrophically wrong but won't admit it (again), I'm going back to the OP.
It's kind of :crazy: and :wacko: for the rest of the thread.
BRB, p2 - Re-Rolls and Roll-Offs. You can't reroll a dice more than once. Since it's there, there's no need to mention it int he Tyranid codex or FAQ.So I was looking at the bonesabre rule, I noticed that it makes no mention of you having to reroll only once. I just checked the official GW Tyranid FAQ and they make no mention of it either.
Bang on. Each dice roll can be affected by a single reroll, whether caused by your own effect or an opponent.Now I believe you'd only have to reroll a passed save once since I don't think I've ever come across an instance where you had to keep rerolling until you fail.
Again, the boxout on p2.However, I'm wondering that since there is no official ruling that states that the bonesabre's wounds only force one reroll, could you argue that your opponent must keep rerolling his Inv until he receives a wound? Or is there a rule in the BGB that I'm overlooking that supersedes this?
It's kind of :crazy: and :wacko: for the rest of the thread.
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