Warhammer 40k Forum and Wargaming Forums banner

1 - 18 of 18 Posts

·
Porn King!!!
Joined
·
8,137 Posts
Discussion Starter #1
Yes I realize that some are going to watch these and think I am some kind of conspiracy nut (which I am not) but that is a risk I am willing to take. Everyone, I mean everyone, needs to see these movies and especially those living in the States. They do focus on things from a States based angle but everything that these movies talk about applies to just about everyone in the world (Canada especially as we are so close to mirroring the US it isn't funny). All I ask when you watch them is that you suspend your immediate scorn or eye rolling and sit back and watch them with an open mind. They are eye opening and taken together will provoke serious thought on your part and if you are like me they will make you sick to your stomach to realize shit like this is actually happening. They actually confirm things I have been finding out on my own for the past while. They are, in order they should be watched in:

Loose Change: Final Cut
Freedom to Fascism
Endgame
Zeitgeist

There are many more but these ones I have seen personally lately and they are, as I said, eye opening. I won't say exactly what they are about as I want those who take my advice to watch them to come to their own conclusions without prior influence. Many of you know me from this site and I don't think I come off as paranoid, delusional, crazy, or anything remotely similar so keep that in mind when deciding if you are going to look into these. If you don't want to watch them all then at the very least watch the last two as they both touch on points from the others, albeit in less detail. Trust me, watch these movies folks. Everyone needs to watch these.
 

·
Porn King!!!
Joined
·
8,137 Posts
Discussion Starter #3
Never said it was all true, just that people need to see it. At the very least, some interesting conversation will come out of it.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
995 Posts
Ron Paul's a kook.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
116 Posts
I've seen loose change and endgame and they're both very interesting and raise some very important questions. Loose Change is extremely well made and every statement made is backed up by volumes of evidence that is shown before and after making said statements making it much easier to keep an open mind on all of the allegations.

also to anyone thats seen it the end of Loose Change with the interview is hilarious
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,210 Posts
plane crash in england recently they took a week or 2 to clear crash area.. taken away for investigation.

9/11 they dump it in china no investigation
 

·
Porn King!!!
Joined
·
8,137 Posts
Discussion Starter #10
I think it is in Endgame where they list the budgets for the investigations into different accidents and such. 9/11 is the absolute lowest with a mere 3 million dollars while the Challenger explosion was either in the high double or triple digit millions. Add to that the fact that for some reason the administration kept saying that no one ever foresaw others using planes as weapons when there are documents showing that very thing being thought about and prepared for and you have something fishy going on.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,925 Posts
yeah, but let's take a moment to consider the nature of american politics. when a new administration comes in, it tends to view previous administrations (especially those of a different party) to be somehow inferior...the bush intelligence crew got multiple warnings from clinton admin intel people about bin laden, the taliban, a possible plot to highjack planes...basically parts of the 9/11 story that were uncovered as possibilities back in the 90s. fact is, based on the nature of the system, the bush intel people basically followed sop for the position, and went with their own intel rather than taking advice from clinton's people.

that said, it seems that the bush admin intel people are mostly concentrated on telling cheney what he wants to here...1% doctrine, anyone? i guess what i'm saying is that they claim no one foresaw 9/11 because they didn't foresee 9/11. seems to be fairly common in american politics (sadly enough).
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
104 Posts
You also need to look at the nature of intelligence as well. If you hear it from one source, you pretty much assume it's BS unless that source has an incredible track record, so you try to verify it. However, secrets are hard to keep, especially other people's secrets. If you read it in a document, it's hard to keep track of what you read where and how it was classified, so people talk about things they shouldn't. Also, bits and pieces leak out which are unclassified on their own, but when they're combined can be classified. (Open source collection fun there...) So you have an organization that doesn't have much in the way of high-tech communication that we never had much luck at penetrating through human intelligence (how many arabic intel folks are out there? Here's a hint. Not many.) and doesn't move in large groups or maintain much in the way of large bases, so imagery intel is mostly out. It's hard to tell what people like that are up to. The thing with using planes as weapons was not a ... what's the phrase... can't remember now. Basically, there was no information at that time to imply that planes would be used as weapons in any impending attack. There was, however, information that there might be an attack and as soon as I learned that the plane that hit the tower was not a tiny single engine plane I knew that at least one more plane was in the air and out of our control. I will never forget the moment I had that realization. How did I know this? For the previous two years I had been responsible for a weekly briefing to get local commanders up to speed on what had been going on in the area, this required me to spend about 2 hours every day reading through reports and browsing the classified internet. For 9/11 to be an inside job or allowed to happen would have required a great many people, most of which are willing to sacrifice every semblance of a normal life in order to keep their country and their countrymen safe would have had to consciously and knowingly suppress a great deal of information. I simply don't believe that happened. Could it have been prevented? Sure, it would have required greater interagency co-operation and a willingness to treat our borders seriously, which we Americans don't seem to want to do.

On another note... I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are totally groundless, but you might like to do a little research on the psychological processes behind believing them. Ever wonder why many people who believe in a conspiracy seem to believe everything is a conspiracy?
 

·
Porn King!!!
Joined
·
8,137 Posts
Discussion Starter #15
On another note... I'm not saying all conspiracy theories are totally groundless, but you might like to do a little research on the psychological processes behind believing them. Ever wonder why many people who believe in a conspiracy seem to believe everything is a conspiracy?
No doubt. But at the same time many of them have good points. I think it is ALWAYS in everyones best interest to question authority at all times. Just because someone tells you a thing doesn't mean it is true, nor does hearing it from a bunch of others make it true so why do most people assume that everything they are told by their leaders, be it religious or state or anything, is the absolute truth. When it gets right down to it 9/11, however improbable, could have indeed been a planned event by the government, the people behind the government, etc. The fact that the investigations into it were limited severely, etc, only gives fuel to the theories.

Fact is that EVERYONE should ALWAYS question things. Those in power are no more prone to tell you the truth if it doesn't suit their purpose than the guy you work next to who is known for stealing shit from others.

LC is a load of shit.
Care to get a bit more in depth there my man?

*looks around in glee at the spark of cool conversation*
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
995 Posts
The investigation didn't require a lot of funding. It was pretty straightforward. Terrorists hijacked planes and rammed them into buildings. There was plenty of evidence that terrorists did it. It wasn't like the Challenger disaster where nobody knew how it blew up. That's a why you saw the difference in budgets.
 

·
Ex Mod.
Joined
·
4,245 Posts
sure. iv seen the documentary, iv read the all the debunking stuff. its made my a man who is convinced that the american gov. ordered the attack, so obviously you cant count on it to have much truth in it at all.. in fact, i dont even know why people take it seriously.

the guy doesnt even have serious incriminating evidence in the most part...you can easily come up with a counter argument using common sense.

plane crash in england recently they took a week or 2 to clear crash area.. taken away for investigation.

9/11 they dump it in china no investigation

erm....well how much of the plane, or indeed the WTC was left intact for recovery......
 
1 - 18 of 18 Posts
Top