[ntaw]

The price is not going up. Apparently that was printed before they decided to lower the price, though time will tell.

 

[forkmaster]

I bought myself my box today. I think I'm gonna do a Shadow Crusade mixture of Word Bearers and World Eaters as I already have Angron. Perhaps I can get Lorgar in the future when they update him with a better looking model.

 

[bitsandkits]

no point hanging on to them chaps , they are not limited, get them built and enjoy the minis, excellent quality and value for money.



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[Beaker]

Does the Betrayal At Calth box come complete with details of weapon options and points cost for the tactical squad and terminators for using in 30k (similar to what is found in a 40k codex)? If not where would I find these is there more than one book I would need from Forge World? Thanks in advance

 

[Deus Mortis]

No they don't have the 30k rules. Depending on the legion you'll need:

- Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List (for all Legions)

- Legiones Astartes Isstvan Campaign Legions (For Sons of Horus, World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperor's Children, Night Lords, Salamanders, Iron Hands, Iron Warriors, Raven Guard, Alpha Legion and Imperial Fists)

- Book 5: Tempest (For Ultramarines and Word Bearers)

For Dark Angels, Blood Angels and White Scars you'll have to wait until around February next year when Book 6 is released. For Space Wolves and Thousand Sons, you'll have to suck a lemon until Book ?: Prospero appears.

 

[Beaker]

Thanks Deus Mortis,

I have 40k Ultramarines and Dark Angels so does the "Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List (for all Legions)" include Ultramarines and Dark Angels?

Or do I need to get Book 5: Tempest for Ultramarines & book 6 for the Dark Angels?

I could always use the figures to boost my 40k armies instead.

 

[alt-f4]

Is the 30K Forge World Horus Heresy game supposed to be played with the 6th edition of W40K, or is it fully compatible with the 7th ?

It seems that scoring units are less frequent than in the 7th (and that "Objective secured" does not exist, for instance).

On the opposite, Malefic Daemonology appears in "Book 5 : Tempest" (for Zardu Layak), but is only cited there. I suppose that it means that he is the only character allowed to summon daemons in the whole game (even Diabolists with Burning Lore are limited to Biomancy and Telepathy) ?

 

[Deus Mortis]

The Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List includes all the generic units any legion can take. Tempest has the special units, special rules and special wargear for the Ultramarines and Book 6 will have at least the special rules for the Dark Angels although at this stage it's not clear whether it will have the units or wargear unique to the Dark Angels.

The Horus Heresy books are full compatible with 7th Ed, however there are a few alterations made for games set in the Age of Darkness. You are correct that Objective Secured doesn't exist, only troops and units with Implacable Advance (HH unique special rule) count as scoring. Unbound doesn't exist, and there are 3 'standard' FOC you can use (although I forget the exact layout of all of them and I don't have the books in front of me at the moment).

As for Malefic Daemonology, I believe that Tempest says that all Word Bearer psykers have access to Daemonology. However, I'm not 100% certain about that so I will check my copy of Tempest when I get home.

 

[MidnightSun]

As Deus Mortis has said. To rephrase it, you need the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List, no matter what Legion you run. That has the rules for Praetors, Tactical Squads, Contemptors, Support Squads; everything that isn't a unique Legion unit. After that, you'll want one other book for your Legion's rules; Isstvan Campaign Legions for a codification of all the Legion rules so far other than Ultramarines and Word Bearers, which are in Book 5: Tempest (I think Word Bearers did have rules in one of the previous books, primarily for their non-Chaotic units such as the Ashen Circle, but were updated, expanded and codified in Tempest).

I've been building what I can from my kits (still waiting for my upgrade packs, so a bunch of Marines are hanging around without pauldrons, heads or weapons) and the kit is beautiful. Extremely nice plastics.

 

[Beaker]

Thanks again Deus Mortis & MidnightSun,

I understand now what I would need to get - I'll maybe try the Legiones Astartes Crusade Army List first as it is a lot less expensive than Book 5 as I am still not certain whether to go down the 30k route yet or whether to use these figures for my 40k ultramarines.

I was thinking of getting the Forge World Ultramarines Invictarii Heads & Torsos upgrade set to convert one tactical squad - anyone else doing this or any other ideas on modifying?

Thanks in advance.

 

[GuiltySparc]

I would save the money on torsos since they are obscured by bolters and go with heads and shoulders. Maybe one box of torsos for any guys who aren't obscured but not the whole lot of them. Heads and shoulders are the way to go imo.

 

[MidnightSun]

I've bought 60 MkIV pauldrons, because applying Legion transfers to 60 suits of power armour is not something I'm willing to do (doing both pauldrons on my Ultramarines was bad enough, and their symbol is probably the easiest to apply since it has a really convenient place to put a relief cut down the middle; Tactical arrows, not so bad, but I'm going to get sculpted shoulderpads for my Marine armies from here on out), and then 30 Terror Squad heads to designate my, well, Terror Squads (Night Lords veteran unit). I also picked up one of the torso sets (5 Terror Squad torsos) for use on my Sergeants (3 Terror Squads, 2 Tactical Squads) since they'll be in more open poses, what with having Chainglaives.

 

[Deus Mortis]

My policy is that the standard yahoos get some form of legion iconography, be it sculpted shoulder pads, decals or etched brass. Then the power armoured veterans and sergeants get the full works, legion shoulder, torso and head. That just distinguishes them a bit more.

 

[Beaker]

Thanks again Deus Mortis, MidnightSun & GuiltySparc for your advice

 

[Loli]

My policy is that the standard yahoos get some form of legion iconography, be it sculpted shoulder pads, decals or etched brass. Then the power armoured veterans and sergeants get the full works, legion shoulder, torso and head. That just distinguishes them a bit more.

This.

It keeps having a Legion sort of cheap by not having every marine and his familiar be decked out in upgrade kits. Chapter Shoulder on all my marines for one shoulder. Veterans, Command Squad and Sergeants get the full shebang; heads, shoulders, tor so's, tor so's. Sprinkle the odd head and Torso along the basic rank and file. Keeps it cheap, even in an infanty heavy army at most you would need is two sets of head and Torso upgrades, 1 works just fine and goes far.

 

[GuiltySparc]

This.

It keeps having a Legion sort of cheap by not having every marine and his familiar be decked out in upgrade kits. Chapter Shoulder on all my marines for one shoulder. Veterans, Command Squad and Sergeants get the full shebang; heads, shoulders, tor so's, tor so's. Sprinkle the odd head and Torso along the basic rank and file. Keeps it cheap, even in an infanty heavy army at most you would need is two sets of head and Torso upgrades, 1 works just fine and goes far.

The one shoulder per rank and file dude is a great idea.

 

[Beaker]

I got my Betrayal at Calth set in the post yesterday and was trying to figure out what to do with my 3 tactical squads - I had hoped to use at least 1 that could be used as well for 40k.

I am trying to see what extras I would need to get from Forge World I have been doing some background reading on the web to see what the different squads can be equipped with:-

Legion Tactical Squad: 10-20 marines, can't take special or heavy weapons (could have 2 extra models to be used for 40k with special weapons missile launcher & flamer?) Nothing needed from FW

Legion Tactical Support Squad: actual source of special weapons. 5-10 marines, and all of them have flamers that can be swapped for other special weapons, I like the look of FW Rotor Cannons & Auto cannons.

Veteran Tactical Squad: Not as good as their 40k Stern guard equivalents. Up to 10 strong only, organised the same as post heresy Tactical squads with two weapons, Special or Heavy. Use the FW Ultramarines Invictarii Heads Upgrade Set and either the FW Ultramarines Legion MKIV Shoulder Pads or the shoulder pads in the GW Ultramarines Upgrade pack which I already have.
Can veterans be fitted with robes or capes?

Get The Horus Heresy Legiones Astartes: Crusade Army List

Legion Recon Squad: Power Armoured Scouts - I was thinking of using my Anvil Industries Black Ops Sniper Recon Team in the mean time.

Can Ultramarines use the following:-

• Legion Scimitar Pattern Jetbike Squadron,
• Legion MKIV Outrider Squadron,
• Leviathan Dreadnought.

Sorry for so many questions I will have to read up more on 30k I don't want to be buying the wrong items before I would get some of the more expensive FW books - thanks in advance.