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Surprised Zion hasn't got to this first. Anyway I couldn't find a thread mentioning this yet so here it goes.

Sisters of Battle are getting a codex. What is it and how will it look is still a ways out. I have been hearing an occasional whisper or two on what is coming. Here is a brief on what I have been hearing over the last few months. But wait, there is some new hints of Sisters of Battle that were suggested over at the Enter the Citadel event. I have those listed here as well.


Sister's of Battle
From Various Sources and a lot of speculation
*They are not being dropped. They are getting their codex.
*There was some model design issues (common knowledge) from some time ago
*The army is currently not up to 6th edition standards, and needs to be fleshed out a lot (more units variability background etc)
*The codex was being worked on at one point, and stopped.
*Whispers of an Inquisition codex may have some bearing on this codex. (like moving from Daemonhunters to Grey Knights)

Recent Sisters of Battle News
via Enigwolf on dakka (thanks for the links)
I attended all of the Design sessions and because there weren't many people around, I manage to have very good, long conversions with Phil Kelly, Jervis Johnson, Guy Haley, and Jes Goodwin. I asked almost all of them about SoBs, and from the sounds of it it's not in the pipeline anytime soon. However, Phil Kelly has expressed interest in it, although he really wants to work on the IG 'dex because there's a certain "human" element to it missing from all the other races. He also mentioned that there are 3 Citadel Designers who have full SoB armies as their main army, and reassured me that they're still around. It's apparently also hard to "get rid" of a dex's contents once introduced, so no fear of Codex: Black Templars, etc. becoming a supplement. I prodded him more about how Witchhunter and Daemonhunters became Codex: GK, and he told me he wasn't involved in that, but it was an oddity within the office.

Oh yeah, one last thing about the Sisters of Battle. According to Phil Kelly, the reason why they never got plastic minis was because they couldn't be plastic moulded by the current process. He wasn't really sure what the issue was, but there was something about the sculpt which meant that it could only be cast in metal. Presumably this led to declining SoB sales and a lack of development in them as a result.
http://www.natfka.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/sisters-of-battle.html?m=1
 

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I was out part of the day. Until Heresy gets a staff cafeteria I need to do things like go shopping for food, and filling out paperwork for the community college,.

I'll add a couple notes of my own:

Sisters currently have issues in there current design having a lot of undercuts. I'm sure the newer designs have tried to address this, but there is still an issue with the sleeves and how to attach them so they hang naturally in relation to the arm position. I don't know what the proposed solution to that is.

I've also sent in a 9 page letter last month (yes a letter, not an email) detailing everything I could give them in both pros and cons on everything from my experiences playing the army and talking to others who do. This was basically play test feedback to give them some ideas of how the army is holding up and actually plays. I can't say they'll read it but I figured it was more proactive than sitting on my butt hoping for a new codex.
 

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Yeah most players - Sisters players at least - were aware of the modelling issue. Which does make sense. So assuming this rumour is true it will be interesting to see how they have got around the issue.

Well for me I'm buying my sisters from GW still, yes it's costing me a lot, only buying one set a month so 3 sisters a month - some times more if I'm a good boy - , but at least it would mean GW are selling sisters even if I'm the only one doing it. So that's my way of doing something.

If true, its interesting that Phil Kelly has an interest in Sisters and 3 Citadel Designers have Sisters as their main force, since that flys in the face of the belief that people in the design team or at GW had any interest in them. So that could only be a good thing.

The final part regarding the lack of sales seems logical too, but that reads to me as a confession that the lack of sales is mostly down to it being metal, which is something many players have stated frequently.

I'm not taking any of it as gospel and just keep my hopes up for more info each Month, but it is somewhat interesting if true though.
 

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This is new information? Sorry, must be in a time warp here, sounds like everything that has been said about them for the past few years just repeated.

'Sisters are not being dropped' and 'can't transition into plastic' is pretty much EVERYTHING that has been said to this point for the past few years.
Wake me when it's something new.

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Just out of curiosity, how do the Sisters play in 6E? I'm not familiar with the army, but, curious as to their archetype in game.
Less and less good as each new codex comes out. They have a good shot against Tyranids, Vanilla Marines, Blood Angels, Grey Knights and Space Wolves, but everything else has been an attempt to not get tabled in my experience.

This is new information? Sorry, must be in a time warp here, sounds like everything that has been said about them for the past few years just repeated.

'Sisters are not being dropped' and 'can't transition into plastic' is pretty much EVERYTHING that has been said to this point for the past few years.
Wake me when it's something new.

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The new part was Jervis specifically stating that Sisters were being worked on and weren't forgotten and Phil Kelly actually saying anything about them. But yes, it's what most Sisters players already knew.
 

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Where did he say that?
Here. It's not stated directly, but seeing how long Dark Eldar were worked on in sporatic spurts I think this is still a fair statement:

SISTERS OF BATTLE/BLACK TEMPLARS will get attention and are not in line to be dropped at this time. I spoke to Jervis Johnson and asked him myself and he said "Every army is getting worked on and will be updated in time."
 

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OK so the "New bit" isn't actually mentioned in the thread until now.

I have to agree with Kettu this is really nothing more concrete than anything that has gone before.

The "telling" statement from the reported discussions for me is "It's apparently also hard to "get rid" of a dex's contents once introduced" which points very strongly to them having looked very seriously at removing the army.

The only concrete thing I have seen in recent times that might be classified as something new for the Sisters is there absence from Apoc.
Not sure if anyone can confirm and I've not really seen the book beyond a quick flip through the shop copy but do they even rate a mention anywhere in the book?
 

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OK so the "New bit" isn't actually mentioned in the thread until now.

I have to agree with Kettu this is really nothing more concrete than anything that has gone before.

The "telling" statement from the reported discussions for me is "It's apparently also hard to "get rid" of a dex's contents once introduced" which points very strongly to them having looked very seriously at removing the army.

The only concrete thing I have seen in recent times that might be classified as something new for the Sisters is there absence from Apoc.
Not sure if anyone can confirm and I've not really seen the book beyond a quick flip through the shop copy but do they even rate a mention anywhere in the book?
The comment about getting rid of an army could also be applied the Templars though and their book. Either way it's a wait and see game.

So this came out of another Faeit212 post:

Phil Kelly confirms that Sisters of Battle could not be plastic moulded (and told us to check with Jes Goodwin for more information - I stupidly forgot to do so). He mentioned it had something to do with the amount of detail on every side and the way that the moulds were limited in two directions as well as their method of release.
I'd say that firmly points to Sisters will likely see at least some changing in their aesthetics as their current design that the studio was shooting for didn't work, assuming they weren't just trying to update them with the least amount of changes in plastic.

Perhaps there are issues with the shoulder pads and they haven't worked out how to make those a separate piece without making things worse? The detail there would cause some issues if it was still attached to the torso for molding I'd bet.

Honestly I can live with losing the sleeves as long as the boob-plate becomes less pronounced, or becomes something more reasonable, and the Sisters still keep their iconography. We'll see however. I'm just prepared for them to gain a new look that doesn't match the old one.
 

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I'll keep my fingers crossed for you guys. I also want to be able to say that I've fought every army. Of course, that still leaves Black Templars for me to fight too. Of course, I should have kept track of which of my armies fought each too.
 

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Bit of Topic... But when I read the headline Sister of Battle Rumours and then Loli underneath I sort of jumped a little in my seat. It looked a bit suspicious until I realized that it was a nick. :D
 

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The only concrete thing I have seen in recent times that might be classified as something new for the Sisters is there absence from Apoc.
Not sure if anyone can confirm and I've not really seen the book beyond a quick flip through the shop copy but do they even rate a mention anywhere in the book?
You’re correct in that they have said in the distant past they were not going to Squat an army but it is good to get it repeated.

Think the new news here, is that it was confirmed that people in the design studio do play them (apparently three of them) and that Phil Kelly likes the army. I have that in writing from the man himself so can confirm that.

I have heard on another forum that the Divine Inspiration table in Apocalypse apparently references SoB but I have been unable to confirm that as I do not have access to the book.
 

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You’re correct in that they have said in the distant past they were not going to Squat an army but it is good to get it repeated.

Think the new news here, is that it was confirmed that people in the design studio do play them (apparently three of them) and that Phil Kelly likes the army. I have that in writing from the man himself so can confirm that.

I have heard on another forum that the Divine Inspiration table in Apocalypse apparently references SoB but I have been unable to confirm that as I do not have access to the book.
Sisters are indeed mentioned on the Divine Intervention table as being able to use the Imperium's Divine Intervention (which requires you to lose half your army to use, something Sisters will have no issue doing in Apoc). They have no formations, strategic assets or super heavies to call their own though. Maybe one of the Warzone books will fix that later after they get a codex update though?
 

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I think that if you dig up one of the older threads by MadCowCrazy in 2010-2011 (before the WD codex hit), you'll find the exact same points being made on the status of SoB updates, with the exception of the edition being 5th instead of 6th.

- Sisters were hard to sculpt.
- Sisters were not being dropped.
- Sisters would probably be reincarnated with some Inquisition elements, seeing as how GK were being revamped.
- The Witch Hunter codex needed to be updated anyway. Rhinos were still 50 points apiece at the time.

Also, sad to say, it's probably the very reason it hasn't been posted here when it came up. This is nothing the SoB community doesn't already know.
 

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@Loli

I think that if you dig up one of the older threads by MadCowCrazy in 2010-2011 (before the WD codex hit), you'll find the exact same points being made on the status of SoB updates, with the exception of the edition being 5th instead of 6th.

- Sisters were hard to sculpt.
- Sisters were not being dropped.
- Sisters would probably be reincarnated with some Inquisition elements, seeing as how GK were being revamped.
- The Witch Hunter codex needed to be updated anyway. Rhinos were still 50 points apiece at the time.

Also, sad to say, it's probably the very reason it hasn't been posted here when it came up. This is nothing the SoB community doesn't already know.
I'd point out comment from the studio wasn't about the sculpting being hard, but rather the basic design of the Sisters not compatible with the plastic casting technology they have right now.

A great example of a problem area that would cause problems in casting is the shoulder pad. If the torso is cast as a solid piece like it usually is then the shoulder pad would have under cuts on it due to the details on top and the curved surface. If you attach it to the arm then the army can't be reposed as the shoulderpad isn't attached to the arm like the Marine one in the Sister's design and would look wrong if repositioned. If made a seperate peice than you have to take into consideration how it attaches to the torso, and if the torso is made in two like the Marine one to get past the undercut on the curved surfaces you still have small undercuts on the sculpted detail on the shoulders on the wings that surround the Ecclesiarchy I and the Fleur-de-Lys due to both having curved sections that move in the opposite direction from the rest of the detail creating a problem where the small detail would get hooked in the mold and likely be damaged when the sprue is removed.

Now this isn't impossible to fix, as I mentioned making it a separate piece, but then ensuring it always fits the same place means that the torso has to be split and then a peg or tab set-up used, and this requires testing and tweaking to ensure it always comes out right.

Then you have sleeves, and rosary beads that circle the waist (more small detail that could be sheered off), and so on. All these things in the design need to be adjusted, or possibly removed and tested over and over. I was reading in one of the Faiet article comments sections that it can take upwards to 10 months for them to be ready to mill the final version of a sprue to use for production, and that's assuming there aren't complications. With Sisters, it could be a year or more if they started with a design that was heavily based on the one we have currently.

I'm alright with GW making tweaks and changes, I understand that it comes with the nature of dealing with plastic, but I also know that they're going to try and stick with the original vision of the army while at the same time updating it's feel to fit in with the more modern aesthetics of the army which means this will take time.

Honestly I'm willing to bet that the models have been sculpted (Jes is frankly too good at what he does, and there are too many sculptors there to assume that there hasn't been at least some work done. Updating the current kits actually -reduces- the number of different models needed as the default pose will be the same for all of the Battle Sisters bodies frankly. We're looking at going from 51 different models to maybe 20, not counting conversions and different wargear combinations) and maybe there is stuff sitting around waiting for the next codex project to kick off, but the sprues, and thus the models those will make, will need to be finalized so that all the versions of the Sisters we see (online, in the book, in the WD, in the studio armies, and the ones we get) match up so when we finally see everything it all looks like one solid, cohesive product line.

Sisters are coming, and considering the level of pride the Studio employees have in their work I'm willing to bet they'll be awesome when they get released.
 

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Bit of Topic... But when I read the headline Sister of Battle Rumours and then Loli underneath I sort of jumped a little in my seat. It looked a bit suspicious until I realized that it was a nick. :D
Lolis of battle.

Damn, now I have to get my hands on some pretend-anime disproportioned miniatures and paint them all in bright colours. It will be awesome.
 

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I can't help love the eternal optimism of SoB players and their almost masochistic wishes for some love from GW.

I'm willing to bet that GW already have the codex and minis done because their having too much fun pulling the rug out from under the SoB players feet and crushing their willing to live just to see it rise up again.

SoB players reminds me more and more of Cubs fans.

Cubs fans: This year we'll win the world series! Doesn't win. AHWWWWW!
SoB players: This year we'll get a new codex! Doesn't get a new codex. AHWWWWW!


(For the record I do have a small SoB army too.. :) )
 

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The original post really sounds to me like some over-enthusiastic SoB fan spoke to the designers and was told what they need to hear.

No self respecting member of the GW team is going to turn to anyone, especially a big SoB fan and say "actually, we soft canned them, we can't ditch them but right now we have popular armies to work on" - it would be a PR nightmare, anything more is reading into what was said imo.
 
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