Warhammer 40k Forum and Wargaming Forums banner

how has 8th edition been to your army?

  • Uber epic

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Awesome

    Votes: 16 51.6%
  • Meh

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Bad

    Votes: 3 9.7%
  • Atomic bombed

    Votes: 3 9.7%
Status
Not open for further replies.
1 - 20 of 42 Posts

·
Registered
Joined
·
193 Posts
Discussion Starter · #1 ·
well its official, the guy who made 8th edition has something aignst WoC.

our scout units are useless, knights not as good, everything got worse except for mauraders (who no one likes). even the marks got bombed. if we don't get a new codex soon its going to really suck. and W0C are the 3rd of 4th last onse to get a codex! then we'll have 2 months before another edition comes. *sigh*
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
289 Posts
Really? With In 5 and fighting in In order, I do pretty well. Tz sorcerer lords kick some serious ass too!! I agree that most builds are similar and maybe they aren't top tier like they used to be, but I find my army still very competitive. I may have had to put my knights on the shelf and paint 40 marauders, but the rest of my army is similar to what it was like before.

Clearly you disagree with me, so I'm curious to how you feel that chaos warriors got worse. Also, why do you think that chaos ogres and the hell cannon are any different than before?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,359 Posts
[/COLOR]
well its official, the guy who made 8th edition has something aignst WoC.
What the hell are you talking about? Postulating something like this really demands an explanation. Like the one I will give you as I postulate that you couldn't be more wrong even if you were born on the wrong side of the tracks thinking: "There's no such thing as right or wrong. Only perspective." Which is a statement I would normally agree with, but since even a statement such as that depends on the perspective you clearly must be a wrongly, wrong wrongert. Whatever that is.

our scout units are useless,
What scout units? Nothing in the book have the rule "scouts". You talking about horsemen? How are they useless? What other army can have ItP, FC core with flails? And 2 attacks each if you go with MoK?
knights not as good,
So? "Not as good" does not equal "terrible".
everything got worse except for mauraders (who no one likes).
Speak for yourself :p
even the marks got bombed.
Yes, since LD tests are now more relevant in combat MoS is clearly crappe. And now that frenzy isn't autobait and more attacks in combat is better MoK is even worse. And with the handweapon+shield bonus MoT is practically useless! Nurgle is pretty much the same methinks, so you clearly aren't wrong in the slightest.
if we don't get a new codex soon its going to really suck.
Can you spell "armybook"? Allright, that's just me being a jerk, but seriously, explain why that is please.
and W0C are the 3rd of 4th last onse to get a codex! then we'll have 2 months before another edition comes. *sigh*
Maybe I'm a little slow, but what makes you so certain of that? And you do realise that books made just before a new edition is geared towards play in this new ruleset don't you?
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,976 Posts
[/COLOR]
Maybe I'm a little slow, but what makes you so certain of that? And you do realise that books made just before a new edition is geared towards play in this new ruleset don't you?
Which makes it all the more funny that the skaven book has the largest FAQ :p Just one of those things I guess.

Meanwhile, I play Cav heavy bretonnians... they certainly got a kick in the nuts.

Ah well, warmachine is taking up most of my time just now anyway.
 

·
Dark Knight
Joined
·
985 Posts
really?
l have had 27 games and only 2 lost and that was with my joke army,
WoC is still really good due to Warriors being OP as hell sure there is not a lot of units as before but that is only if you play a "l must win army" if you are having fun that all that counts.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,359 Posts
That's just because GW are terrible at that foreign language. What's it's name, oh right! English.

Proof of my statement would more likely be that Skaven are really powerful in 8th. At least my DE have trouble everytime I face them. But thne again, one of the Skaven players I know is really into shady rules interpretations, and guilt tripping me when I don't share his views.
Kinda annoying as he otherwise is a pretty standup guy. But one day, I will kick him in the nuts for it. Patience is not a virtue in my world.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,420 Posts
Oh, look, a troll thread. How refreshing.

Everything OP says is utter rubbish, its just the point of view of the "I was told how to win in the previous edition and I lulzpwnt everyone (read: every little kid I came across) but now my sage buddy isn't with me so BAAAWWW I CAN'T WIN ON MY OWN!!! ;_;" type of player. I can only hope Darwin is coming for these pansies. Pfft.

I'll go over to the other WTFWoC thread now.
 

·
WFB Moderator
Joined
·
8,248 Posts
WoC didn't get picked on especially.. and can still be very effective. Some other armies really got a good toasting while others just got radically changed in how you have to play them: ogres and WE especially. Sometimes this is for the good and sometimes for the bad: I love the way my WE can now play (would have been a bit bored in the old rules) but I really dont like the disapearance of MSU from ogres (have to rely on big blocks which scare the pants off everyone... but aren't that hard to deal with).

WoC have certainly changed. All the cav can no-longer be used in the same way to the same effect (having a cheap unit of 5 knights and expecting them to just mash through an enemy army will no longer work)... instead you need to start thinking carefully about what you are taking, how its going to be used and how it will interact with the rest of your army... the word I'm really searching for here is 'Tactics'.
 

·
Banned
Joined
·
2,023 Posts
Agreed with T/S this thread has been started by a person who has no idea, can't use and has never seen tactics, evidnetally a I want to and have to win at all costs player with my army and if not I'll cry and whinge about it!
 

·
Lord of Decay
Joined
·
64 Posts
Agreed with T/S this thread has been started by a person who has no idea, can't use and has never seen tactics, evidnetally a I want to and have to win at all costs player with my army and if not I'll cry and whinge about it!
i Agree With your anser & the one befor he.. he.. :suicide:
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,122 Posts
WoCs are amazing. How did they get bombed?

marks are generally better now as people are in larger units, khornate units are more controllable, MoT units are even harder to shift. MoN units remain the same. The only thing you can't do now is GW warriors, which isn't a great loss.

Knights are still super killy you just need to think about who to charge before you charge across the field

Magic wise MoT sorcerers are deadly with up to +5 to cast

Monsters such as ogres and DO, as well as giants and DOS are a tonne better, and you actually think about including them now.

Hellcannons hit stuff now.

Still can't see the problem. You just need synergy and tactics now
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
39 Posts
Still can't see the problem. You just need synergy and tactics now
...I do believe that IS the problem the OP has, and you see it quite clearly
But yeah, WoC are an even scarier army to face now, what with their bazillion attacks MoK halberd guys, and their knights are just as good they just won't instantbreak any unit in the enemy army, and their +infinity to cast MoT sorcerers, and whatnot. There is no other army in the game with a core choice as rediculous as WoC. Most army's specials and even rares aren't as amazing in combat as a good ol' warrior.
 

·
Porn King!!!
Joined
·
8,137 Posts
WoC have certainly changed. All the cav can no-longer be used in the same way to the same effect (having a cheap unit of 5 knights and expecting them to just mash through an enemy army will no longer work)...
Yeah that was the only problem I had at first with the new edition as I ran a cav heavy WoC list before. However, I only had to drop one unit of knights and that allowed me to put a large block of Tzeentch Chosen in the army. Oh and for the record:

Tzeentch Chosen = lawnmowers
90% everything else = grass

Even the basic chaos warrior is stupidly good now and 8th has made them into the uber killers they are touted as in the armybook. Warriors are hands down better than just about any other core choice in the game and are absolutely devastating from the off, making most armies special choices look like Jerry's Kids in general. The ability of having a 5+ save in cc with the MoT is absolutely priceless as well.

Hellcannons are also death on wheels now with the no partials rule. Yes you can deviate off with them but barring a shit deviation roll they do MASSIVE amounts of damage to the enemy and have become one of the must have units in the book.

So I agree that the OP is very much in the wrong here, 8th ed has made WoC absolutely brutal now.
 

·
Eastern Potent
Joined
·
2,654 Posts
This kind of more seems like "7th ed was so good to us WoC, what with instagibbing the front rank before anyone could attack back, and lawling through his whole army." I have won every game I have played with WoC this ed. I have only seen them lose once to a dedicated dwarfen gunline this edition. But everyone loses to those.

Everyone is right, they havent been nerfed. They have changed, just because you dont have the ability to adapt your playstyle, hardly means they suck.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
48 Posts
I've played VC, O&G and WoC in 8th. I had VC in 7th when they were god mode, but when 8th came I sold the army real fast. Now I will go on the record and say it's because of the army composition nerf and also the insane fear nerf but let me explain. When I bought VC it's because I wanted to play a vampire army, not a skeleton/zombie army. I loved being able to take 3 Vampires and I would've still played the army even if they capped at 12 PD/DD but still allowed me to have more than 1 vampire. I didn't care that they had godlike magic phases, I just loved the idea of being able to actually play with vampires and not just generic undead overpriced garbage. I would've been happy playing the army if it was actually composed of, you know, actual vampires.

Anyway, that rant is done. As far as O&G I just have 1 word, Animosity. That ruined the army entirely for me. I love their characters, the fluff, the models and the hilarious russian roulette play style but Animosity brakes the army completely. Here's hoping Jeremy writes a proper book seeing as how he has like 11k points worth of O&G, a true fan of the army.

Now for WoC.. it's interesting the way my buddies and I played in 7th. We always played with Step Up, even though it didn't exist, so there wasn't a big change going into 8th as far as close combat goes, except for charging only giving +1 CR instead of a first strike advantage, which is one change that I think sucks hard (stupid HE! cheap OP bastards with ASF + Hatred). Outside of that, their magic is absolutely insane! I will never take a list without a Lvl 4 Tzeentch Sorc... I might try Nurgle at some point, but Tzeentch all the way! It's too bad knights aren't as good anymore, because I really really love the models but for the points I'd honestly rather have more Warriors. All in all, unless you play like a tard, it's extremely hard to lose with WoC.

I've lost plenty with WoC but that's because I was making lists that were intentionally bad design so I could see what each unit was really capable of. It's my favourite way of testing their strengths and weaknesses quickly. Saturday was my first victory against HE because I was finally able to make a good solid list with all of the testing I had done previously. HE just had no chance and I didn't even roll well. Learn to play the army properly in this edition and you won't have many problems (aside from Dorfs). Just do what I did, make lists with impossible odds, see what happens, learn from it and you'll be able to adapt in most situations.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
1,175 Posts
Warriors of Chaos are one of the best armies in the game right now (2nd best in my opinion, right behind Skaven). It's true that Chaos Knights don't work as well, but that goes for all heavy cavalry in all armies. Everything else in the book got a LOT more powerful.

Nobody likes marauders? Everyone loves them. In fact, they're quickly becoming the most overly used unit in the entire game.

I'm sorry, but if you can't make giant blocks of marauders, backed up by Tzeentch lords/heroes, work for you, then you have no clue how to play the game.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
2,420 Posts
I'm sorry, but if you can't make giant blocks of marauders, backed up by Tzeentch lords/heroes, work for you, then you have no clue and/or interest how to play the game.
I just thought I'd add another dimension to the statement, with which I wholehartedly agree, even in its unmodified form.

The only part I don't get is WoC being the second best behind Skaven. Please tell me how do you get past a dedicated Empire gunline with Lore of Fire, Metal and Life and 1-2 Steam Tanks. Or a Dwarven gunline, which will dispell 3/4 of your spells. Or High Elves. Assuming your opponent is on the same skill level as you are.
 

·
Registered
Joined
·
4,190 Posts
The only part I don't get is WoC being the second best behind Skaven. Please tell me how do you get past a dedicated Empire gunline with Lore of Fire, Metal and Life and 1-2 Steam Tanks. Or a Dwarven gunline, which will dispell 3/4 of your spells. Or High Elves. Assuming your opponent is on the same skill level as you are.
I play with Wulfrik the Wanderer with 40 Khorne Marauders, and two Hellcannons, while the rest of my army hides behind a hill and snipes with Gateway and Treason.

Steam Tanks are made of 100% pure unadulterated overpoweredness. We know this already. So is Teclis. If we assume that people have a house rule not to field 2 Stanks or Teclis then I agree that Chaos is probably second most powerful. At the very least it's in the top 5.
 
1 - 20 of 42 Posts
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top