Ditto.Lord Sinkoran said:Spears are 1 handed and no the front rank can't use swords and the second use spears the entire unit must use the same weapon e.g. spear.
Where does it say that?mattjgilbert said:Spears can certainly by used with shields but will not grant the +1 save bonus that using a sword and shield combo would do. The upside of course is the ability to fight with more than one rank.
Whoa nelly...mattjgilbert said:Spears get different rules: they get to fight in more than one rank.
Other weapons also get different rules and they are likewise "otherwise covered" by the rules. That's what makes them NOT hand-weapons. A hand-weapon is a catch-all for all the weapons which don't have their own special rules.
All those spear units DO get the benefit of the shield. It increases their armour save by +1. What it doesn't do is increase it by another +1 as they are not hand-weapons. If you got to fight in more than one rank AND got an extra armour save bonus, spears would cost a hell of a lot more points.
I imagine it's possible, but I never thought of it, and have never seen a model with it...but I can see your rationale (or your rationale of my rationale )To take it further, if a spear or morning star counted as a hand-weapon and a model had the option to take both, they could then claim to have two hand weapons. They could then gain an extra attack and fight in more than two ranks with +1 S in the first round of combat! I don't think this is right at all.
Do you play that models with a hand weapon and spear gain +1A for using 2 hand-weapons?