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The army ceased as one, every single one of the quarter-million soldiers standing motionless in the same moment. The four giants stepped forwards. The blazing god led them.The first demigod, clad in wrought gold, inclined his white-haired head in majestic acknowledgement – a king greeting an equal.‘I am Rogal Dorn,’ he said.The Night Haunter said nothing. In his mind’s eye, he saw the giant die, dragged down by a hundred murderers in a dark tunnel, their knives and swords wet with the warrior’s blood.The second giant wore armour of patterned grey, etched with ten thousand words, as if a scholar had taken a quill to a stone. He nodded his shaven, tattooed head, likewise inked with scripture – the lettering gold upon the tanned skin.‘I am Lorgar Aurelian,’ he said, his voice a hymn where Dorn’s had been a measured, stately demand. ‘We have been seeking you, brother.’ There was sorrow in his otherwise kind eyes – sorrow at the dark city, its unhealthy people, the obviousness of their colourless, exhausting lives.Again, the Night Haunter said nothing. He saw this warrior crowned in psychic fire, screaming up at a burning sky.
The third giant wore armour of riveted, dense black. His arms were solid silver, yet contoured and moving as living limbs. His voice was the steely grind of a foundry’s bowels.‘I am Ferrus Manus,’ he said. His eyes were dark, but not cold.The Night Haunter remained silent, seeing the warrior’s head clutched by its empty eye sockets in another man’s armoured fingers.The last giant wore armour painted the violet of an alien sunset. His hair was silvery, long and elegant. He alone smiled, and he alone met the Night Haunter’s eyes with warmth in his own.‘I am Fulgrim,’ said this last lord. ‘It is good to finally meet you, my brother.’The Night Haunter still said nothing. He saw this final giant in only the faintest of images; always slithering and laughing, never entirely visible



Does this passage count as proof that Dorn will die/is dead?
 

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There was never much of a debate concerning Dorn's fate to be honest.
 

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Dorns alive, and there is no where in the fluff where it states he is dead. He kike thebother primarchs fate is left open ended
 

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Apart from the fluff that says he is dead of course. Like you know, the one that explains his skeleton is encased in amber in the Phalanx. To name but one.
 

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Speak of the devil, and he doth appear.

“The Primarch [Rogal Dorn] fell in battle against the forces of Chaos, resisting a Black Crusade – one of the periodic and devastating incursions by the Traitor Legions from their hellish sanctuary worlds within the Eye of Terror. Dorn and three companies of the Imperial Fists mounted a masterful series of boarding actions against the crusade’s warships, crippling drives and life support systems and even capturing weapons batteries and turning them against other Chaos vessels. Eventually however, the enemy cornered Dorn and his warriors as he launched a final attack on the bridge of the Chaos flagship. None survived to tell the glorious tale of the Primarch’s last stand. The Chapter’s Chief Librarian found his Primarch’s body on the bridge in a chilling reprise of Dorn’s discovery of the wounded Emperor, and bore him away before the stricken flagship escaped back to the infernal realm of the Eye of Terror.” –Deathwatch: Rites of Battle, pg. 45

He's dead, Jim.
 

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Lost&Damned;1384064 said:
Does this passage count as proof that Dorn will die/is dead?
It does. But as Soul Hunter said, Night Haunter's foresight wasn't perfect. Sometimes he'd screw up.

As others have said, it's pretty conclusive that Dorn is dead, though.
 

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Oh for Christ sakes, can we ban the the word lux. Every time some one says it you show up.
Locus my fleshly compatriot, let us assess the situation shall we? Firstly Dorn has never in any story or currently canon article been stated as being, dead. There are currently three instances regarding Dorn's fate that are canon, the first is where Curze perceives his future as stated prior in this thread. However the issue with that instance is that Curze is not always accurate, nor is he always right in his visions. Furthermore the visions that Curze experiences are not always literal, they are at many times symbolic for what is going to happen such as with Lorgar, and with Fulgrim.

The second instance Dorn's fate is referenced is when it was stated that they found his remains aboard the chaos battleship, and of those remains all they recovered was a skeletal fist with his wargear. The issue with this instance is that once again it is never stated he died, nor that they found his body. It is left entirely open ended to be shaped by the readers perception. They found his remains, which could simply mean his wargear, is weapons, his armor, his single skeletal fist which is odd enough on its own. The point being is that with this instance there is no concrete evidence he is dead, as it never states it in anyway.

The third instance of Dorn's fate is referenced when they state that they recovered an escape pod from a downed ally battle cruiser, within they found Dorn's wargear, his armor and a single skeletal fist. Again all they found were his remains, no mention of body or corpse.

So really rather then acting like a child in regards to a single word "lux", compose a post, and contribute to a well thought out discussion. Keep in mind discussions are just that, discussing fantasy literature which is shaped by opinions.
 

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Locus my fleshly compatriot, let us assess the situation shall we? Firstly Dorn has never in any story or currently canon article been stated as being, dead. There are currently three instances regarding Dorn's fate that are canon, the first is where Curze perceives his future as stated prior in this thread. However the issue with that instance is that Curze is not always accurate, nor is he always right in his visions. Furthermore the visions that Curze experiences are not always literal, they are at many times symbolic for what is going to happen such as with Lorgar, and with Fulgrim.

The second instance Dorn's fate is referenced is when it was stated that they found his remains aboard the chaos battleship, and of those remains all they recovered was a skeletal fist with his wargear. The issue with this instance is that once again it is never stated he died, nor that they found his body. It is left entirely open ended to be shaped by the readers perception. They found his remains, which could simply mean his wargear, is weapons, his armor, his single skeletal fist which is odd enough on its own. The point being is that with this instance there is no concrete evidence he is dead, as it never states it in anyway.

The third instance of Dorn's fate is referenced when they state that they recovered an escape pod from a downed ally battle cruiser, within they found Dorn's wargear, his armor and a single skeletal fist. Again all they found were his remains, no mention of body or corpse.

So really rather then acting like a child in regards to a single word "lux", compose a post, and contribute to a well thought out discussion. Keep in mind discussions are just that, discussing fantasy literature which is shaped by opinions.
From Lexicanum:

Rogal Dorn died fighting on board a Chaos ship, after attacking a Black Crusade fleet with a vastly outnumbered force. Seeing the importance of attacking the enemy fleet while they were still preparing he relied on hit-and-run attacks until his reinforcements could arrive. Dorn died on board the Despoiler Class Battleship Sword of Sacrilege after leading a desperate attack on its bridge. His remains were recovered and his engraved skeletal hand is kept in stasis by his chapter.[2]

Dorn's skeleton without his hands is kept within a chapel, and embedded in clear amber contoured to the body form of the Primarch himself. Dorn's skeletal fists are kept within two shrines, the bones intricately engraved with the heraldry of all the Chapter's previous Masters. Only the Chapter Master has the right to engrave his name upon the bones. Each bone corresponds to former commanders. Left hand, the first metacarpal: Lords Bronwin Abermort, Maximus Thane, Kalman Flodensbog, the first phalanx of the thumb, Ambrosian Spactor, etc.[5]

Heres the link to the article on Dorn itself here.
 

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If you will notice the source used for that particular section is none other then "Index Astartes II", that alone states why Dorn is not in anyway stated to be objectively dead.

Two sources newer than that one have both stated all they found of Dorn was his Wargear, and a single skeletal fist. One source states they found it in an escape pod from a downed allied cruiser, while the second source states they found his remains upon the command deck of the chaos cruiser of which all they recovered was a single skeletal fist.

Neither of the two newer sources state he is dead, and both conflict with the older source you are referencing. Firstly both newer sources state they found him in different locations, IE an escape pod and the second being the command deck. Finally both newer sources plainly state all that they found of his remains were his Wargear and a single skeletal fist, nothing else is mentioned.

Thus it is left open for the reader to decide.
 

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No what sources might those be, if you wouldn't mind providing them? Or are you just making shit up again?
 

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If you will notice the source used for that particular section is none other then "Index Astartes II", that alone states why Dorn is not in anyway stated to be objectively dead.

Two sources newer than that one have both stated all they found of Dorn was his Wargear, and a single skeletal fist. One source states they found it in an escape pod from a downed allied cruiser, while the second source states they found his remains upon the command deck of the chaos cruiser of which all they recovered was a single skeletal fist.

Neither of the two newer sources state he is dead, and both conflict with the older source you are referencing. Firstly both newer sources state they found him in different locations, IE an escape pod and the second being the command deck. Finally both newer sources plainly state all that they found of his remains were his Wargear and a single skeletal fist, nothing else is mentioned.

Thus it is left open for the reader to decide.
Neither of the sources contradict the previously established fluff that he is dead though. The fluff said his skeleton was placed in amber within the Phalanx, fluff after that said they found his remains. Remains, generally implies a body, or whats left of it anyway. They say his remains were found, and go on to mention his fist afterwards and being one of the most intact parts, which sounds rather grim when put into perspective.

Regardless, by stating that remains were found, which though not explicitly mentioned, still can very easily imply a body(or whats left of a body), means that it hasn't contradicted the older fluff of his skeleton being recovered. Therefore, fluff still exists that he is dead.
 
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