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I see them as cannon fodder/meat shield/stick em in aforest taking potshots/outflank and annoy.
And apart from the first 2 they aint right good at any of them
 

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I do believe making Kroot just as WD expansion would actually pay off. Remember that Kroot mercenaries can actually have some nice weapons like plasma guns or eviscerator on shaper making them somewhat more capable of dealing damage. With reduced point cost, If they were just allies for some other armies and additional choices for basic Tau FOC it would be best thing ever happening to Kroot. And that way GW could actually sell more of those models. IMO that is the most probable thing to happen.
 

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They are useless right now, but I don't think when a new codex comes around they'd just move them to a merc' dex or what have you. I mean thats just more absurd that you'd have to take units that used to be in your codex as allies.

And here's why it's a stupid idea to remove them entirely.
Guy1: Ok, we are making the Tau 6th ed Codex. One problem is Kroot. They just don't really have a good place.
Guy2: Well, we're making the codex. The possibilities are endless on how we can make them better. We can change their equipment, give them special abilities, give them new options and units. The precedent for this has already been set and there are tons of ideas we've already experimented with.
Guy1: So it's agreed then.
Guy 1&2: Remove Kroot entirely from the codex! (They said in a strange unison that made you question wether or not they rehersed the entire event.)
 

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The Kroot had an army list of their own back in the day, via Chapter Aproved in the white dwarf, they actually have quite a few models and could easily become a stand along army now. Infact the idea of using the Ork list to make a kroot army just occurred to me...damn not another idea..
 

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You really think that out of ALL the units in the game. GW would look at Kroot and be like "THAT! That F**king Unit! I want everyone to have access to it, now!"

It's also kinda silly that they would basically STEAL units from our codex, just to give everyone else better access to them.
Don't want to get Tau allies, but want Kroot? No problem! We have a WD for that.

And really I think it'd be the worst thing for both Tau and Kroot. Kroot go from being fierce allies of opportunity for the Tau with an established History to... well... They would out vanilla the vanilla marines. Just a bland "fits in everywhere" unit.
Tau go from an alien coalition to... Tau. Who can get Kroot, just like everyone else.
 

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I would be dissapointed if we lost what made Tau unique and just went to pure Tau. I'm hoping this one is wrong.

About the psykers. It would be nice to have a psyker ally unit in the codex and could potentially give another boost to shooting.
 

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At first I liked the idea of the Kroot getting their own codex, I mean it could only help them improve and I, despite having a nice little mob, don't particularly like them much on the table anyway. Besides, we'd still get to have them as an army! Then I figured the impact on the lore/fluff of the Tau, the idea of them having all these alien allies, removing the Kroot could negate this key aspect of the Tau fluff which for me at least, was one of the main reasons I chose them as my army!

THEN, I figured, why the hell not? Why should we, the Tau players as a community, selfishly keep the Kroot to ourselves when they have a chance to be so much more? At the same time, perhaps we need some kind of compensation; I got to thinking, what if the Tau got some benefits for allies to represent their fluff? For example, generally an ally detachment requires 1 HQ and 1 Troop, what if the Tau only need a HQ? Or if they could get more than a single heavy/elite/fast attack slot? Or even if this is not possible for allies in general, only for the 'white dwarf' codex armies? Just some brainstorming :p
 

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There was a book where the White Scars had to fight psychic Kroot. The Kroot got the power from eating Eldar.

The only change I want to see for Kroot is them getting better technology instead of being viewed as savages. Basically stealth suits made for Kroot, giving them superior firepower and CC capabilities. Since the "play tester" mentioned an assault suit with no names and models, it is possible.
 

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Some much needed Tau rumours, starting to sound really interesting

Stickmonkey said:
There has been some speculation on this, and I'm getting chatter now that seems to reinforce a few things, so I thought I'd post what is floating my way.


Tau Codex early next year.
Kroot and other existing allies are there, however they are limited. There appears to be an "Allies" supplement which will be out about the same time and include many more options. (aside: Dare I start a Spring of Allies moniker...ah well then it will end up being 2 years from now... )
Crisis suits completely redone.
Stealth suits completely redone.
Pirahna has new option and I am not sure if it will be reboxed together or be sold as an upgrade kit.
New Pathfinders were seen being worked on a while back.
Ethereals expanded, new unit options around them.
There is a FW Tau model which has a unit entry in the codex. (My take is this might actually be a new plastic kit taking over a FW model, and before anyone yells GW doesnt cannibalize FW...yes, they do, they have, and they will.)
The floating chair ethereal was seen being worked on for a new model.
New fast skimmer sized between hammerhead and pirahna.
Flyer has dual gattling cannons
Flyer has option for rail guns
Flyer has bombs (not missiles!?)


Rule rumors (these are rumors people! I hate posting rule rumors cause I am not involved in that. Please take fwiw)
Railguns have a JOWW effect, they can hit multiple models in a line, but if hitting vehicles has a max number of hull points it can cause. the way this is described is it draws a line from the barrel to table edge, every model under starts taking hits starting with the closest. if it hits a vehicle or structure with HP, its strength drops, once it hits 3 or a table edge or fails to make a penetrating hit its done. rhino line's watch out!
There is some rumor of an Anti Psyker weapon. like night fighting, but no psychic powers for a game turn.
There is no flyer dedicated transport, and the existing flyer is going to be competing against some very good other options
The jetpack troops have some option to "pop up and shoot" from behind cover.


I did not say no flyer transport. Just that sources are saying no "dedicated" flyer transport.
StraightSilver said:
I have been staying out of the rumours threads for a while now, mainly because a lot of the information I was getting was plain wrong, and also because I was conscious of dropping anybody in it, but I thought I would chip in on this.


The Tau models have apparently been sitting around for quite some time now, some of them were redone over 2 years ago so I am not sure why they have taken so long to be released, but I suspect it's because the models range fits into 6th better than 5th.


They were one of the first armies to get a flyer (outside of IG's Valk / Vendetta), even though it hasn't been released yet.


As for an allies supplement, I was told that next year 40K will have a release very similar in format to the Warhammer Fantasy Storm of Magic supplement. In other words a book, cards and kits that could be used in multiple armies, in the same vein as the monsters from WHFB.


I assumed it would be a big supplement for Psykers, but it could just as well be for allies, as that seems to be the best way for GW to produce new kits without having to invest in a full 'Dex for them.


Now I hate to put Summer into any rumours, but I believe Storm of Magic was released about that time, which would put Tau and allies around June or July ish? However rumours strongly point to Eldar being early in the year, so I'm not sure if we would get 2 Xenos Codexes back to back? Unless GW really are going to do a release every month.
 

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I'm hungry for Tau and neither this list nor the time frame is doing it for me. With Ward at the helm there's no shortage of reasons why.

-Stealth Suits presumably not even able to be troops no matter what you do. Complete non-starter for me.

-Less boxy crisis suits presumably means more like the fugly Forge World ones, I.E. more like japanesy crap, complete and utter horribad no-starter for me.

-Vespid heavies? Please. Ward probably won't make the regular ones cost effective because that is a unit that could compete with his wet dream spessmuhreens. Fail.

-Keeping the space pope? What the...

-No new weapons mentioned. The only thing Tau needs is cost effective AP3 weaponry. The codex writer that does not supply this can fuck right off.


While there are bright spots in the rumors, I am probably just going to sell off my Tau as an army that gave me lots of fun once and retire from 40K. They are going to lose their identity with this hack-job and end up more and more like the comic book manga crap they keep shoveling down people's throats elsewhere. I will keep my Dark Eldar for modeling and the odd 5th edition-locked games with buddies. None of us feel like buying any more GW product for the foreseeable future, so it's all good.

Once I hoped Phil Kelly was writing this... I shed a tear for the utter opposite being delivered unto our cosmic shores...

TAU for life (in my heart)
 

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I hope they will also bring updated Gue'vesa too even if it's just a web supplement or something. That would be cool. I always liked Gue'vesa as an addition to the Tau army.
 

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I'm worried.

Apart from Ward or Cruddace possibly writing the book, (I'll only accept Kelly unseen, would have to thoroughly read any Cruddace book to make sure it's not ruined, and won't touch it if it's Ward's regardless) having seen the terrible new range of Chaos SM models suggesting they've left their miniatures designs over to absinth-laden monkeys (Dark Vengeance notwithstanding - talking about their retarded flyer and mini-titan) - AND the sketchy details on stealth suits (just about none) coupled with the stagnant rumour mill this close to release...

There's about 1000 more ways this can go wrong than right.

Especially considering the plastic Tau Barracuda flyer has been finished for 3 years and is still unreleased - suggests an immense lack of confidence in Tau sales from GW's side. They've botched something alright.
 
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