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I was wondering what one has to do to warrant daemonhood recently, specifically the scale of deed that would grant this reward. Would it come piece by piece, or would you be lifted to immortality in a single step?

While I`m on this topic, does anyone know what specific deeds (if any) the traitor primarchs performed for their rewards? I have a pretty good guess for some, but I`m not sure.

Angron never really stopped serving Khorne.
Fulgrim is possessed, so technically a special case.
Magnus kind of just fell into it.
Lorgar`s role speaks for itself really.
Mortarion... I know he had little choice but to turn, but did he actually do anything specific, or did he just accumulate a few daemonic gift coupons over the course of the heresy?
 

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Perturabo was elevated after the Iron Cage incident where he sacrificed the geneseed of 400 Imperial Fists to the Gods of Chaos.

There is no set task that you must do to ascend to Daemonhood- it could be as little as ritualistically killing one person (very rare even by Daemon Prince standards I imagine) to burning an entire sub-sector in an orgy of sacrificial violence...or you could just be turned into a Spawn :grin:
 

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Well Perturabo is said to have been elevated largely due to the Iron Cage incident where he butchered the Imperial Fists and shattered Dorn's psychological well-being. Aside from that we don't have specifics.

But ultimately the Primarchs were great and powerful Warlords, leading Legions of the Galaxy's most powerful warriors across countless battlefields. Throughout the Age of Darkness and Heresy as a whole the Primarchs committed genocide and atrocities on a gargantuan scale, something which the Chaos Gods obviously relished in. So not only did they deserve Daemonhood but elevating such mighty individuals to Daemonhood was a massive boon for the Chaos Gods as well.

But otherwise there is no set methods or tasks which one commits to ascend to Daemonhood. But this may help:

'For centuries a Chaos Lord risks death and mutation, slaying the enemies of his master, in the hope of attracting the gaze of the gods. The most dedicated Chaos champions have sacrificed entire armies and slaughtered the populations of dozens of worlds in order to achieve recognition in the eyes of the gods and, ultimately, earn themselves immortality... The Daemon Princes are those who had, as mortals, the strength and will to please the Chaos Gods over a lifetime of war.'
 

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I see. I had forgotten about Perturabo. :eek:k:

So for some it seems to happen quickly, others have to work for millennia. That is hilariously unfair.

Like that wanker at work who got a payrise before me... :angry:

Thanks guys. :thank_you:
 

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So for some it seems to happen quickly, others have to work for millennia. That is hilariously unfair.

Like that wanker at work who got a payrise before me... :angry:

Thanks guys. :thank_you:
Sounds like you work for the Chaos gods.....
 

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Well first it would seem you need to be lucky, extremely. Also you need to raise above the rank and file amongst the followers of Chaos, this would be anywhere from besting a champion in battle, or leading a successful warband dedicated to Chaos or an individual god. This would only get you the notice of the god, and you have to continue that attention with the risk of becoming a chaos spawn. Since Chaos is well, Chaos this is random, but it generally has to do with doing a great service for the god or gods. Khorne Champion must continue shedding tons of blood and taking lots of skulls. Slaanesh Champion would mostly have to spread the pleasure cult across many worlds and perhaps best a movement placed by Khorne. Nurgle Champion would most likely spread Papa Nurgle's love (death and disease), cook up new and interesting diseases and applications for those diseases. Tzeentch Champion would I believe to master sorcery and lay down plans that would make Light Yamito think twice.

Once these steps have taken place, and perhaps a number of deaths to rival Champions and years if not centuries of service and mutations. Only then perhaps the chaos gods will grant Daemonhood to an mortal. It's about the same % of those who gone from Acolyte to Inquisitor I would believe if not smaller.
 

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As you are a damned traitorous follower of the false gods, so I would recomend that you get your hands on the damned book known as Liber Chaotica...
 

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As you are a damned traitorous follower of the false gods, so I would recomend that you get your hands on the damned book known as Liber Chaotica...
I have been meaning to, but it tends to catch fire whenever I pick it up. The local GW manager thinks it may have something to do with having no soul.

Oh well. To the service of the Deceiver! :victory:
 

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It's up to the fickle gods' whims. You could wage millenia of war, take millions of lives and still only be recognized as a prominent Chaos Lord. Do something that strikes their particular fancy at that moment and they may gift you with immortality. Perturabo's a good example; he turned Tallarn into a complete wasteland, took billions of lives, yet it was the sacrifice of a few hundred Imperial Fists that really impressed the Chaos Gods.
 

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I am assuming that you can refuse the Chaos gods gifts ?

Kharn and Erebus and Ahriman and Huron and a couple others have done tons of damage over a dozen centuries or more and are still human.

then I read of a Night Lord who got elevated to Daemon Prince, but I dont know what he did in comparison to those masters of destruction, despair and carnage. He could have just won the lotto that day...
 

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I think Ahriman isn't mutated like most other servants of Tzeentch because of the Rubric he and his cabal cast to save their legion. If it wasn't for that, he (along with all the other Thousand Sons) would have been chaos spawn millenia ago.
As for Kharn, I don't think anyone who's gotten close enough to get a good look at him have lived to tell about it.
 

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It's up to the fickle gods' whims. You could wage millenia of war, take millions of lives and still only be recognized as a prominent Chaos Lord. Do something that strikes their particular fancy at that moment and they may gift you with immortality. Perturabo's a good example; he turned Tallarn into a complete wasteland, took billions of lives, yet it was the sacrifice of a few hundred Imperial Fists that really impressed the Chaos Gods.
I thought that was the doing of the alpha legion
 

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It's up to the fickle gods' whims. You could wage millenia of war, take millions of lives and still only be recognized as a prominent Chaos Lord. Do something that strikes their particular fancy at that moment and they may gift you with immortality. Perturabo's a good example; he turned Tallarn into a complete wasteland, took billions of lives, yet it was the sacrifice of a few hundred Imperial Fists that really impressed the Chaos Gods.
Aye, just to expand on that:

Codex Chaos Space Marines 4th Ed said:
The Chaos Gods are generous but irresponsible with their favours. They either cannot distinguish the difference in value of their manifold gifts, or simply have no interest in the matter. When blessing one of his followers a Chaos God might make him or her stronger, tougher, faster, astonishingly attractive, hyper-intelligent or otherwise improve their lot in this world. But equally, the Chaos God may feel their loyal subject would benefit from having their toes fall off, their mind constantly dazzled with whirling colours, a third eye in their navel, or to be a dribblind imbecilic lump of flesh. Its all the same thing to a Chaos God.

Any Champion of Chaos can find himself heading on the road to Spawndom. Even a Chaos Champion who enjoys the favour of his god may suffer this fate, while those that continue to fail in their tasks may well avoid Spawndom for many centuries. A Champion who does not earn himself the ultimate reward of daemonic immortality will certainly become a Spawn unless he dies by some other means first. Such is the lot of a Chaos Champion - he is destined for everlasting diabolic glory or an ignominious end as a mindless, slavering heap of twisted limbs and quivering protrusions.
I am assuming that you can refuse the Chaos gods gifts ?
I don't think you can. As the above quote from the Chaos Codex suggested the Chaos Gods are very generous but irresponsible with their gifts, now obviously if they could, Chaos Champions would refuse pointless and counter-productive physical mutations, and ultimately they would refuse Spawndom (which is also seen as a gift by the Chaos Gods). But it would seem they can't. And from the Chaos Gods perspective, do you think they would even register the fact that their champion/follower doesn't wish to be mutated beyond recognition? And how would the champion/follower go about refusing it? "... Umm hi, sorry, but although I have been spreading war, death and pestilence for centuries in your name to gain gifts and recognition, I'll pass on this one.."

And although many people seem to suggest (as well as a documented Imperial Scholar who features in the Eye of Terror Codex if memory serves) that Abaddon the Despoiler has refused Daemonhood, im not so sure he would have such a choice. Maybe he has just never been offered it, despite having seemingly deserved the offering much more than many current Daemon Princes.
 

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I always thought that, when people say, Abaddon turned it down.

What?! I didn't realise the Chaos Gods were actually intrested in anyone else's opinions.

I suppose the Gods just see Abaddon as more useful as he is now. When hes done they'll accidently turn him into a spawn and say oops.

NEXT HORUS-EQ REPLACEMENT PLEASE.

More on topic, I just assumed Daemonhood was just to stand out, and serve your God to a point where he notices you. But after reading all of this, i see theres more to it than that :D
 

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I don't think you can. As the above quote from the Chaos Codex suggested the Chaos Gods are very generous but irresponsible with their gifts, now obviously if they could, Chaos Champions would refuse pointless and counter-productive physical mutations, and ultimately they would refuse Spawndom (which is also seen as a gift by the Chaos Gods). But it would seem they can't. And from the Chaos Gods perspective, do you think they would even register the fact that their champion/follower doesn't wish to be mutated beyond recognition? And how would the champion/follower go about refusing it? "... Umm hi, sorry, but although I have been spreading war, death and pestilence for centuries in your name to gain gifts and recognition, I'll pass on this one.."

And although many people seem to suggest (as well as a documented Imperial Scholar who features in the Eye of Terror Codex if memory serves) that Abaddon the Despoiler has refused Daemonhood, im not so sure he would have such a choice. Maybe he has just never been offered it, despite having deserved the offering much more than many current Daemon Princes.
I think it's an all-or-nothing case with the Chaos Gods. People like Kharn and Abbaddon simply refuse all the Gods' gifts, and whilst this means they won't become immortal daemons, they won't be reduced to gibbering Spawn either. On the other hand there are those that openly welcome the influence of Chaos, and are often horridly mutated in various ways. Possessed exemplify this to an extreme; they are so open to the Warp that a daemon has moved in.
 
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